The All New Linux vs Windows MegaSuperThread

damgar · 05-09-2010, 02:38 PM

I didn't get the CLI is faster thing until I actually learned a few of the more common commands and their common options. Even something like file copy that seemed easy enough in a GUI is a PITA when you think of
1 open file browser
2 click, click, click, click to find the file
3 scroll through files
4 highlight files to be copied
5 click copy
6 click click click click click to find destination
7 click paste

VS

1 cp -OPTIONS /path/to/file /path/to/destination

dv502 · 05-09-2010, 02:50 PM

@ mattvdh

How long is it going to catch up to your brain that nobody wants to discuss or debate with you anymore. Your trolling is not just getting old, it is now a joke. Can't you tell by the hints we reply to you.

Nobody is trying to convert you to use linux either. You don't like linux, fine, just move on already.

You are only wasting your time here.

MTK358 · 05-09-2010, 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mattvdh

No, I disagree. Typing commands is much more laborious compared to clicking. How can you even argue this?! Like I said try setting up a DHCP server on Windows 03/08 and compare vs a Linux box. If you were to time it; Windows is much more time-effective or efficient. And for such a redundant task you can use '03 on just about any 500mhz+ machine with 256mb ram which is dirt cheap these days, people are throwing out machines this slow. So the argument that Windows is bloated is obsurd.

You're right that commands are more precise, but for most people, myself included are generally nested in the browser environment (another reason why I support Googles new OS). So I don't have any practical uses for the command line.

On the Windows platform, the command line is essentially useless because everything can be accomplished in the GUI.

Linux users seem to pride themselves in their ability/freedom to configure every little detail about their software/hardware, but I do not care for such things--I respect that genius-engineers at various billion dollar corporations probably know a lot more about drivers and configurations and software design than 99% of the population. These are details that are to be taken care of in the initial design process, and I see most Linux distros as unfinished betas in comparison to XP/OSX/7. Not attractive.

Lets say Linux had a distro that was built for supercomputing, I think that would spark some attention from the market. But it needs to be practical, intuitive and useful. If there was a OS designed for gaming for instance, that would spark A LOT of attention.

Personally I don't care so much for a "polished" experience. I want it to be fun and powerful!

Have fun doing this in a GUI:

Rename huge amounts files in a certain directory a certain way.

Code:

for file in *
do
        mv "$(add command to generate new filename here)" "$file"
done

Search and replace a regex over a few files.

Code:

sed -i -r 's/search/replace/g' *

Installing software.

Code:

pacman -S program

Compiling code will full control over the compiler.

Code:

gcc [options]

Extract and manipulate data from files.

Code:

awk 'awk script here'

Now explain how to do these more easily in a GUI.

dv502 · 05-09-2010, 03:39 PM

@ MTK358

Yep, and you barely scratch the surface of sed and awk powerful abilities.

O'reilly has a book dedicated to these two commands alone.

{BBI}Nexus{BBI} · 05-09-2010, 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dv502

..and m$ tried to copy compiz fusion visiuals. I think m$ wanted it's users to see the infamous blue screen, red screen, black screen. Yes/no popups in eye catching 3d.

lmao

smeezekitty · 05-09-2010, 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MTK358

Personally I don't care so much for a "polished" experience. I want it to be fun and powerful!

Have fun doing this in a GUI:

Rename huge amounts files in a certain directory a certain way.

Code:

for file in *
do
        mv "$(add command to generate new filename here)" "$file"
done

Easy.
No gui necessary.

Quote:

Search and replace a regex over a few files.

Code:

sed -i -r 's/search/replace/g' *

Easy.
No gui necessary.

Quote:

Installing software.

Code:

pacman -S program

Stupid.
[quote]
Compiling code will full control over the compiler.

Code:

gcc [options]

fairly easy but a pain when compiling over and over in which case i prefer an IDE.
Prefer GUI.

Quote:

Extract and manipulate data from files.

Code:

awk 'awk script here'

No gui necessary.
Now explain how to do these more easily in a GUI.

cantab · 05-09-2010, 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smeezekitty

Stupid.

You're not a fan of package management are you? Guess that's why you're posting from Vista ;-P

onebuck · 05-09-2010, 07:04 PM

Hi,

Quote:

Originally Posted by mattvdh

How am I the 'troll'? You are spewing hatred/disrespecting me for no apparent reason. I'm trying to have a civil discussion so please stick the topic and compose yourself. I don't know you, you don't know me. The subject is where you are to place your arguments.

I'm not spewing hatred. Just the facts that seem to evade you and the posts made by you. Civil discussion is when some present observations in a factual therefore presentable manner. Not ones ineptness or poor representation of a argument. I've been on topic and supplementing facts to support my viewpoints which you fail to do. Just poor observation(s) by you for segmented information seems to be your means of communication. So the more I read of your posts and response to factual information it seems your not the sys admin you supposed. Let alone know computing history in general or factual computing information.

You vacillate so much and misinterpret without doing proper research on the subject matter so it's rather difficult to remain on target with all the dithering. Your selective modification of information or interpretation just shows how weak your points of interest and position actually are.

I really should not use the label of 'troll' alone as that would not fully define my interpretation of your original intent. If you feel that I am forming a personal attack with disrespect then you have not read any of my posts for understanding. Your the one with disrespect and poor factual representation of information. I respect someone who has a factual stand or opposition but you don't even come close because of the fore mentioned statements.

As for knowing you, I really don't care to know you personally. You seem to be a person who just cares for themselves thus a 'self-centered troll'.

MTK358 · 05-09-2010, 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cantab

You're not a fan of package management are you? Guess that's why you're posting from Vista ;-P

I also heard that he has huge trouble with package management, and that it rarely works.

I still can't believe that, because package managers work wonderful to me. I wouldn't want to install software any other way!

Kenny_Strawn · 05-09-2010, 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mattvdh

How am I the 'troll'? You are spewing hatred/disrespecting me for no apparent reason. I'm trying to have a civil discussion so please stick the topic and compose yourself. I don't know you, you don't know me. The subject is where you are to place your arguments.

^ Now try to beat this!

Mr-Bisquit · 05-10-2010, 03:19 AM

Linux is so wonderful.
Installing makes me dance.
When I open a terminal,
I get happy in my pants.

exvor · 05-10-2010, 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr-Bisquit

Linux is so wonderful.
Installing makes me dance.
When I open a terminal,
I get happy in my pants.

No trolling allowed....

schneidz · 05-11-2010, 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mattvdh

No, I disagree. Typing commands is much more laborious compared to clicking. How can you even argue this?! Like I said try setting up a DHCP server on Windows 03/08 and compare vs a Linux box. If you were to time it; Windows is much more time-effective or efficient...

it is harder for robots to point-and-click their way thru a process. thats why automating a script to rsync your latest build tree to a mirror is simpler.

by-and-by, my corperation has a method for automating installs on windows machines. a large red frame around the screen says 'do not touch keyboard/mouse' while the mouse pointer magically moves around the screen (does anyone know what software does this ?).
i think this is insecure because the laptop automatically reboots into the administrator account so moving the mouse will cancel the install process and leave you logged in as administrator.

cantab · 05-11-2010, 12:42 PM

I believe Auto-It can do that.

But the Windows installation can be almost completely automated. I have XP discs that only need the partitions setting up, and hitting skip a few times at the end. With Vista I used the Windows AIK, and Windows PE with imagex on a usb stick, storing the image on a network server - but one could easily put the image on a big enough USB stick too. One command to format, a second to install.

mattvdh · 05-12-2010, 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MTK358

Personally I don't care so much for a "polished" experience. I want it to be fun and powerful!

Have fun doing this in a GUI:

Rename huge amounts files in a certain directory a certain way.

Code:

for file in *
do
        mv "$(add command to generate new filename here)" "$file"
done

Search and replace a regex over a few files.

Code:

sed -i -r 's/search/replace/g' *

Installing software.

Code:

pacman -S program

Compiling code will full control over the compiler.

Code:

gcc [options]

Extract and manipulate data from files.

Code:

awk 'awk script here'

Now explain how to do these more easily in a GUI.

easy:

http://www.nonags.com/nonags/fileren.html

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/320167

http://www.bulkrenameutility.co.uk/Download.php

and remember, there's a windows equivalent for every task you could imagine.