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Old 07-24-2010, 12:05 PM   #1
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Let the age of Cyborgs commence !


MUST WATCH:

and now go write me a linux driver for that !

P.S we can have a technical discussion on the subject if you guys feel like it

cheers
 
Old 07-24-2010, 04:20 PM   #2
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Neat, I want one of those!
 
Old 07-24-2010, 04:38 PM   #3
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It's The Borg becoming a reality. We'll all be assimilated.
 
Old 07-24-2010, 04:54 PM   #4
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Very nice...

Now let me ask you a question... can any of you guys master the Signal/noise ratio in your brainwaves to use them in a reliable interface, without proper intensive training...? you tell me...

Can you thing about a concept such as "emptiness" or "cold" or "time" ( something abstract, without physical representation, like most symbolic codes are ) for long enough before intrusive noisy "physical" ideas start corrupting your thought and showing up as noisy patterns in your brainwaves...?

Because if you cannot, this "gadget", no matter how sophisticated this may be is not matched by the user capacity, imho.

I'm not talking about moving a damn box in a screen... I am talking of writing a whole algorithm in a language from abstraction into computer code instead of typing... not just immagining the keystrokes in a virtual mental keyboard...

...I'm talking of driving a Fighter aircraft in a dogfight evasive manoeuver with this, reliably...

Pilots do this because they have neuromuscular memory association, thought->motion.pattern->command.execution->airframe.response... this is essentially a low entropy / low noise communication channel... can this thing do that in the same noiseless fashion...?

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Old 07-24-2010, 05:06 PM   #5
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Bah when they can take a human brain and place it in a robot body let me know.
 
Old 07-24-2010, 05:54 PM   #6
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Quote:
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It's The Borg becoming a reality. We'll all be assimilated.
I really really can't wait ! LOL

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Now let me ask you a question... can any of you guys master the Signal/noise ratio in your brainwaves to use them in a reliable interface, without proper intensive training...? you tell me...
well the short answer would be NO , you definitely need training as well as the computer needs to be "taught" your specific brainwave pattern to be associated with an output.

the algorithm which the sexy lady (Tan Le) was talking about is most likely an expert system , i'll make an educated guess as an AI programmer/enthusiast and say they are using a Feedforward Neural Network with Backpropagation as a method of error correction i.e learning.

i might be wrong however , as there are many candidates but the above is most likely used.

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Can you thing about a concept such as "emptiness" or "cold" or "time" ( something abstract, without physical representation, like most symbolic codes are ) for long enough before intrusive noisy "physical" ideas start corrupting your thought and showing up as noisy patterns in your brainwaves...?

Because if you cannot, this "gadget", no matter how sophisticated this may be is not matched by the user capacity, imho.

I'm not talking about moving a damn box in a screen... I am talking of writing a whole algorithm in a language from abstraction into computer code instead of typing... not just immagining the keystrokes in a virtual mental keyboard...

...I'm talking of driving a Fighter aircraft in a dogfight evasive manoeuver with this, reliably...

Pilots do this because they have neuromuscular memory association, thought->motion.pattern->command.execution->airframe.response... this is essentially a low entropy / low noise communication channel... can this thing do that in the same noiseless fashion...?
i'm afraid that i didn't quite understand your question ,

but i'll attempt to answer it anyway (correct where necessary)
the software (i.e the expert system) can also be trained in theory to match any brainwave pattern with absolutely anything as far as the reception allows...

for instance , i read more about this headset EEG (branded as Emotiv Epoc) , apparently it can also recognize the emotional state of the user , as of now it's limited to 4 states ("Excitement", "Engagement/Boredom", "Meditation", and "Frustration")

regarding the translation of abstract structures in your head into a script , well that's something that geeks should explore !
but theoretically speaking i'd say yes it might be possible but it requires research and very sophisticated AI to interpret the brainwaves accordingly or maybe some EEG guru who can perfectly communicate to the computer...etc

as for flying figher jets , in theory absolutely yes why not , though lots of field testing would be RECOMMENDED before actually putting a lad or two into the cockpit LOL

btw here is their official website http://www.emotiv.com

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Bah when they can take a human brain and place it in a robot body let me know.
Sure , but this is already a breakthrough on many regards , mainly the cost efficiency and size of the device, classical EEG as explained in the video are heavy , expensive as hell and a pain in the ass to put on and use.

that said , iMo the next major breakthrough gonna be a input brain-interface which turn this thing into a 2 way communication channel rather than just one way

in other words , you then be able to receive information from the computer directly into your brain without the use of the traditional senses , that would definitely light a new era !

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Old 07-25-2010, 08:15 AM   #7
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iMo the next major breakthrough gonna be a input brain-interface which turn this thing into a 2 way communication channel rather than just one way

in other words , you then be able to receive information from the computer directly into your brain without the use of the traditional senses , that would definitely light a new era !
That would be ideal for Big Brother, total control of what everybody thinks, feels, and does. Are you sure you want that?
 
Old 07-25-2010, 08:37 AM   #8
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That would be ideal for Big Brother, total control of what everybody thinks, feels, and does. Are you sure you want that?
The most decent reply at this topic. This it's so true, 'cause not everything that's cool and revolutionary it's good for us either.
 
Old 07-25-2010, 09:46 AM   #9
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My first thought
 
Old 07-26-2010, 11:52 PM   #10
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OLD news. These kinds of devices have been out for consumer use for a few years now. Some with more sensors than others. There was even Starwars and some kind of air jet ball maneuvering course. I do wish they were cheaper though. At least then I could expect to see some linux drivers.
 
  


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