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Old 09-27-2016, 10:53 AM   #46
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... When I was growing up police officers did not run prostitution and drug rings, they did not hire out for contract killings, and be part and parcel of organized crime enterprises!! Innocent people have been killed and innocent people are in jail doing hard time for crimes that they never committed!! Grave injustice is as much a part of this country as apple pie and baseball games!!
Actually, it was much more difficult at that time for you to know. There was no Internet. There was no real time, point-to-point communication that anyone could "publish on."

It is actually for this very reason that my b*s detector is routinely set to a pretty high setting. I'm not routinely ready to accept that a police officer, in any city or country, went to such lengths to be prepared to kill a man ... particularly absent any sort of motive other than (yawn ...) "The Race Card.™" I understand that anyone can testify about anything to the news cameras, but I'll wait for her to hold up her right hand swear to the same thing, under oath and under penalty of perjury before a presiding Judge, and then to submit to cross-examination about her testimony. If a Jury of the officer's peers then renders a Guilty verdict, then I will accept that verdict and count her testimony as having been credible.

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Old 09-27-2016, 01:30 PM   #47
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Every individual has the right to their opinions, beliefs, and religion!! There are people in my family that steadfastly believe that no catholic priest would ever sexual abuse a child!! If TV has not shown the Vietnam war every day and night our government would have never stopped the war.

Why would two different women, one of them white, put themselves in grave peril by stating on camera to reporters that it was the white officer that shot the man in Charlotte> This same officer in red later planted the gun on on the ground to back up the cover up of an innocent person!! There is no gun on the ground near the suspect until this officer places one there!!
The guy's fingerprints are on the gun. Too get there under your scenario the officer would've had to have pressed a gun into the man's hand with half the neighborhood filming. That strains credulity. Mr. Scott also had an ankle holster. I'm pretty sure he wasn't wearing that for a fashion statement.
 
Old 09-27-2016, 02:18 PM   #48
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Gentlemen, none of us were at the scene of this incident!! One thing is for certain however; the police came to that address to arrest someone, the dead person is not the individual that was sought by the police!! If the dead man had been inside his house or apartment he would still be alive today!! What is this man's crime?? Why is he dead??
 
Old 09-27-2016, 02:56 PM   #49
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How can a poor man stand such times and Live: Blind Alfred Reed

There was once a time when everything was cheap.
But now prices almost puts a man to sleep.
When we pay our grocery bill,
We just feel like making our will.
Tell me how can a poor man stand such times and live?

...and later...

Officers kill wthout a cause then complain about the funny laws
How can a poor man stand such times and live?

This work was from 1929. Too soon for a bit of progress maybe? Probably best to wait for the hundredth?
 
Old 09-28-2016, 07:44 AM   #50
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Well, I'm over 50 years old and I can tell you that I have NEVER seen a story, plus huge reaction to ... a white person, an Indian, an Asian, a Latin American person having been killed by a cop. Have members of those groups been killed by cops? Yes. Have one or more of those killings been unjust? Probably. Sort of funny how absolutely none of those incidents ever fomented a national reaction. Any unjust killing by a cop is a bad thing.

As for the case this whole thread started about, I don't yet know. What I've heard and read are that there are claims that the cop put a gun there. OK ... cops have backup pieces. We get that, but ... what cop has a backup piece that is untraceable to them? They live their lives on a chain of evidence and thus know that every resource is pulled upon to ensure evidence is identified and run into ground. Seems like a huge, huge chance to take. Next, ... say I'm a cop responding to a call. Well ... I best bring my special "unknown" backup gun so's I can hop out of my cruiser guns ablazin' and then plant that baby right away! Really? To me doing something underhanded like planting a gun would be more done after a situation like, "Oh-oh ... I SHOT that guy! I shouldn't have done it, he's unarmed [rapid looking in all directions] [fast thinking] ..." So what people are painting is a picture that this cop is 1000% devious all the time, had intent all along and planned for any such contingency. Meanwhile what I've also read was that a black cop was in the detail and was the one who identified that the guy had a gun. Unfortunately I think this one needs some review by unbiased parties and I hope that occurs. I fear that if the results don't jive with popular opinion that it will be a bad outcome though.
 
Old 09-28-2016, 08:15 AM   #51
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Yep. Not enough info yet.

My sig pretty much covers certain things.
Some folks have a inner anger for what ever reason and sooner or later.

That anger manifests itself into the real world one way or another.
Some have jobs they should not have.
Some roam the streets as wolf packs.
Some are happy campers in the military.

I don't over think these things. It is the way of the world and I for one.
Have to live in it.
 
Old 09-28-2016, 08:59 AM   #52
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Cop runs plates, owner comes back as a convicted felon (in the US that means he has NO right to carry a gun), cop sees felon holding gun, felon refused to drop the gun, cop shoots felon.
Occam's Razor, folks. It applies here.
 
Old 09-28-2016, 12:52 PM   #53
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It's just sad that in 2016 there are decent people living within these United States wondering if the " gas chambers " and other methods used in the genocidal killings of human beings is on the horizon!!

He was " erratic " so now he has been cured; he is dead!! https://thinkprogress.org/california...227#.6qadu82l4

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Old 09-28-2016, 02:02 PM   #54
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This happens more often than you think. Just this week a young man in New Hampshire with mental illness history was shot 3 times in the chest by a local policeman. He was white so you probably won't see it in the national news. The story is still coming out and the state has started an investigation. The similarity with the case in California is that this young man had called 911. Several times. That's when the police got involved.

Back to California, why did the man's sister call the police, several times, when they told her it wasn't a priority for the police? Obviously she insisted that they come. She knew he had mental health issues but there is no mention that she called a crisis line, ambulance, etc. I'm not blaming her, but her actions made the situation worse by calling in law enforcement for a non-crime. These are both damn terrible tragedies.

The police have two major things to deal with, restoring order and not getting anyone else hurt including themselves. If you put them in that situation that is what they will do, right or wrong. As courts have ruled in the US, the police have NO responsibility to save or protect you. Kind of makes that "To serve and protect" a bleeding lie.
 
Old 09-28-2016, 02:09 PM   #55
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And now, here is an example of a policeman acting like a real, living, breathing, bleeding, person.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...sters-funeral/
 
Old 09-28-2016, 02:42 PM   #56
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And now, here is an example of a policeman acting like a real, living, breathing, bleeding, person.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...sters-funeral/
I did cite earlier that largely we see the bad and that rarely do we see the good reports. Glad that some good reports are out there.

I had one involving my son and a mere car problem where he needed a tow at like 9 PM on a Sunday. The police were helpful and not jerks.

On the flip side, in that same town, same police force, someone I know got arrested unceremoniously and the cops were their normal authority figures. Nothing bad was done and nothing bad really happened, the person arrested deserved citations, but they made the matter far, far worse. You have to consider that if you act like a jerk the second they pull you over at 3 AM with your buddies in the car, you sort of give them little choice except to get out that "book" that they throw at you. And then you're in court answering towards 4 or 5 complaints on a Monday morning.
 
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Old 09-28-2016, 04:39 PM   #58
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It's time for a tune up: http://thefreethoughtproject.com/hou...ect+Newsletter
 
Old 09-28-2016, 05:14 PM   #59
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Cop runs plates, owner comes back as a convicted felon (in the US that means he has NO right to carry a gun)
Could you post a link to where you got this information? All the major news sites I've read indicate the police in Charlotte have not released information on whether the officers on site were aware of Scott's previous violent felony record in NC and Texas. Also, this would only work if the vehicle he was in was registered in his name, information we do not have. Not sure why this information wasn't released as it would certainly make a major difference since a non-felon in NC is fully within his/her rights to have an ankle holster, a pistol in a holster or lying on the seat of his/her vehicle or anywhere else.

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cop sees felon holding gun, felon refused to drop the gun, cop shoots felon.
The dash cam video released yesterday and the quote below is from Charlotte Police Chief Kerr Putney:

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The video does not give me absolute, definitive visual evidence that would confirm that a person [was] pointing a gun. I did not see that in the videos that I reviewed.
He goes on to support the version of his officers. After watching the video myself, I have to agree with this statement. It is not possible to see that Scott has a gun and his hands are at his side the entire time of the video which run 3.24 minutes/seconds. A photo image of a gun is shown on some sites which is small enough that it might have been concealed in his hand. The video is available on just about any major news site in the US. The officer who did the shooting did not have a body camera so it is obviously not possible to know what he was seeing. Another officer had a body camera but it doesn't show anything relevant.

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The similarity with the case in California is that this young man had called 911
I came across this story this morning and I believe his sister called the police. Why, as you ask she called the police rather than someone at a health care crisis line is difficult to imagine, particularly given the outcome.
 
Old 09-28-2016, 05:42 PM   #60
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Critically, you do not see from the cop's point of view. You see only a grainy video from an entirely different point of view. Also, you already know what the outcome was, so you're likely to pre-judge the situation when you see it.

What I frankly object to is the increasingly popular public notion that "'cops' are bad-apples, and (especially in the South) they're secret members of the KKK who want to shoot 'black people' as though those people were raccoons or possums."

So you come home some evening and the front door of your house is standing wide open. Cops show up and say, "naah, we're 'bad apples,' so we'd rather not go in there. You go inside and find out what's going on ... ... we'll wait ..."

No, that's not what will happen. A very brave man and his equally-trained police dog will go through that open door to face whatever is inside, on your behalf. (Such an officer was once my neighbor.)
 
  


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