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Old 09-26-2016, 08:12 AM   #31
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This is all a very tough subject. And these are just personal thoughts and observations, nothing to back it up except opinion.

Firstly some people use their race as an excuse, either an excuse as to why they are treated some ways or an excuse to justify their behavior. Meanwhile, they may not be incorrect with that because there are some people who pay attention to race and consider it when they evaluate people. I don't evaluate persons by their race, although I will admit that I evaluate persons by how they carry their selves and how they behave. On the bright side, while someone may catch my eye because of the way they look, I find that if I talk to them and they talk in return I'm usually very glad to find that many people are just "people" and they're nice. This reminds me to not judge by the cover.

As far as police go. I've seen bad and I've seen good. How many threads are started about the cop who helped the two elder ladies get their car safely off the road and waiting around for a service truck or did a tire change for them? ZIP! NONE! So I'm bearing in mind that largely what happens is you see a bad example and people read about it, they write about it, they remember it, forever.

That's sort of my which is that when you look for bad stuff, you'll find it.

Try reminding yourself to also look for some goodness.

There are large differences between being a cop in a major city versus out in the country. However a criminal is a criminal, one who clearly is one that is, and dealing with them is not always easy.
 
Old 09-26-2016, 10:34 AM   #32
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On you tube there is are videos by two different women who claim that it was a different cop that shot and killed the man in Charlotte. Also on you tube is the video of the cop that planted the gun on the ground from his pocket!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rXu4qNoHaI

Such cover ups are very common in police departments through these United States; the District Attorneys and the judges know this and they just ignore it. The general public does not want to know anything about it; they want to believe that the police do not kill innocent people and cover it up!!

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Old 09-26-2016, 11:34 AM   #33
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I am frankly too skeptical that a cop would actually "just up and kill a man" (for what? just for jollies?), then "pull a gun out of his pocket and put it on the ground" ... and that an innocent bystander would just happen to be in just the right place at just the right time to film(!) him doing it.

I do not deny that there are some law-enforcement officers who are, or who become, "bad apples." We should have zero tolerance for any such thing ... anywhere on Planet Earth.

But I don't believe that "law-enforcement officers," as a category of human being, are "bad apples," nor that they particularly care about the color of the skin of the bad-guy they are pursuing or apprehending ... that is to say, "for color's sake."

No, we have not purged racism from the human condition, nor will we ever. But IMHO there is such a thing as "the race card," but it is a stereotype. It makes a wonderful headline or viral-video.

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Old 09-26-2016, 11:45 AM   #34
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A "cop" is human like any "criminal..." and at 18 what's the difference?
 
Old 09-26-2016, 11:56 AM   #35
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This is all "armchair philosophers". Why is it just US police? I grew up with the impression that "due process" and actual law and order was non-existent in certain parts of the world. I've been involved with or witnessed critical situations at some point in my life. Far, far easier to talk about should'a, would'a, could'a after the fact. Further easier to do that via remote control.
 
Old 09-26-2016, 12:25 PM   #36
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I am frankly too skeptical that a cop would actually "just up and kill a man" (for what? just for jollies?), then "pull a gun out of his pocket and put it on the ground" ... and that an innocent bystander would just happen to be in just the right place at just the right time to film(!) him doing it.

I do not deny that there are some law-enforcement officers who are, or who become, "bad apples." We should have zero tolerance for any such thing ... anywhere on Planet Earth.

But I don't believe that "law-enforcement officers," as a category of human being, are "bad apples," nor that they particularly care about the color of the skin of the bad-guy they are pursuing or apprehending ... that is to say, "for color's sake."

No, we have not purged racism from the human condition, nor will we ever. But IMHO there is such a thing as "the race card," but it is a stereotype. It makes a wonderful headline or viral-video.
The Charlotte police where there to arrest a man but they made a mistake and thought that the guy that they were looking for was the guy sitting in the truck!! The guy got out of his truck and asked what the problem was and he was shot by the cop that later planted the gun. Two different women, one black and one white, saw the white cop shoot the victim!! Later the cop takes the gun out of his left hand pocket and tosses it on the ground near the victim. Later he goes back into the same pocket and pulls out a handkerchief and uses it to pick the gun back up again!! If videos where not available today some of these incidents would never come to the public light and police stories would never go unchallenged. Sure the police have a very rough job; but killing innocent people and then covering it up is not a rarity; it happen all to often!! Without the internet the true story of this very sad incident would never be told!!

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Old 09-26-2016, 06:40 PM   #37
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I frankly do not choose to believe that a police officer of Charlotte, North Carolina [i](nor of any other city, anywhere in the world ...) actually "threw a gun on the ground."

And, "on video," no less? Mmmm...?

Wow, what a remarkable sequence of events. Why, it's straight out of a dime-store detective novel ...
 
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I frankly do not choose to believe that a police officer of Charlotte, North Carolina [i](nor of any other city, anywhere in the world ...) actually "threw a gun on the ground."

And, "on video," no less? Mmmm...?

Wow, what a remarkable sequence of events. Why, it's straight out of a dime-store detective novel ...
A news source that reviewed the you tube video made the observation that the cop was already prepared to plant the gun; so how many times has he done this same thing in the past??
 
Old 09-26-2016, 07:47 PM   #39
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Such a person would be a cold-blooded (and, very creative) murderer who somehow managed to con his way into a policeman's uniform ... and to somehow get away with it all, except(!) that he was completely caught on video.

Now, I understand that, for a time at least, we were completely accepting of "reality" TeeVee, in which people were "marooned on a desert island, therefore fighting with one another to survive," and no one seemed to question where the video crew that captured it all was supposed to be at the time.

(Yes, the Screen Actor's Guild eventually made the case that these were not "amateurs," and that it was not, in fact, "reality," and that the marooned islanders actors were therefore entitled to be paid Union Scale ...)



I'm afraid that I must apply exactly the same argument here: "exactly where was this oh-so opportune videographer standing, and how-and-why was (s)he there in the first place," to catch such deliciously 'incriminating' (sic) 'evidence?'

Hey, in the name of "reality TV," it's really no big deal for me to conjure-up "a news source." Fundamentally, you want "a sizzling, smoking-gun video," and, if you're prepared to not ask too many nosy questions, I'm very happy to provide it . . .

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Old 09-26-2016, 08:08 PM   #40
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Every individual has the right to their opinions, beliefs, and religion!! There are people in my family that steadfastly believe that no catholic priest would ever sexual abuse a child!! If TV has not shown the Vietnam war every day and night our government would have never stopped the war.

Why would two different women, one of them white, put themselves in grave peril by stating on camera to reporters that it was the white officer that shot the man in Charlotte> This same officer in red later planted the gun on on the ground to back up the cover up of an innocent person!! There is no gun on the ground near the suspect until this officer places one there!!

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Old 09-26-2016, 09:04 PM   #41
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I frankly do not choose to believe that a police officer of Charlotte, North Carolina [i](nor of any other city, anywhere in the world ...) actually "threw a gun on the ground."
Your faith is touching. Sadly, it is misplaced. (Edit: There is a history of cops falsifying evidence. /Edit.)

http://rollingout.com/2016/09/25/pol...harlotte-cops/

Also, prescience: http://www.miamiherald.com/opinion/o...103822781.html

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Old 09-26-2016, 09:55 PM   #42
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The police are what the citizens are willing to pay. If you want the best in the force you will have to do what the Texas DPS does. They require the highest standards and a BS degree. You will also have to have citizens keep the crooks in jail. You have to have a moral compass in America that demands respect for the law.

I will have to say this too. Many other advanced countries have police that are immune to restrictions that the US has. No one in Germany or Japan would ever get a Miranda right. I've seen cops in Japan wear Samuri gear and beat the snot out of trouble makers. They were even beating the gang member that was stabbed.
 
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European police officers tend to have much better training than U. S. police officers.

Regardless, this does not address the racist nature of U. S. policing.

As long as we pretend that racism is not an issue in the United States, it will continue to be an issue.

I'm a Southern boy. I was raised under Jim Crow (and I thank heavens my parents, children of their heritage though they might have been, were not haters) and I know bigotry when I see it.

I can tell you right now that pretending it isn't there and trying rationalize it doesn't make it go away.

Pardon me if I'm out of line, but I have strong feelings about hate, because I've had to unlearn the hate I absorbed from my environment when I was a young 'un.

There is no rationalization that absolves a person from killing an innocent.

Zilch. Nada. None.
 
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There's not too many Andy Griffin's out-there, evolution is a slow process once you swear buy a gun you've not helped it!
[URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don%27t_Take_Your_Guns_to_Town"][noparse]http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/general-10/ok-let%27s-have-a-quotes-thread-883385/page84.html#post5609328[\noparse][/URL]
 
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I have family and friends living in small towns and quaint villages where these types of situations never happen!! I also have friends and relatives that are musicians, artists, police officers, politicians, etc. who have a world view of some of the vileness that exists in cities across these United States!! When I was growing up police officers did not run prostitution and drug rings, they did not hire out for contract killings, and be part and parcel of organized crime enterprises!! Innocent people have been killed and innocent people are in jail doing hard time for crimes that they never committed!! Grave injustice is as much a part of this country as apple pie and baseball games!!
 
  


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