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Old 02-14-2024, 11:31 AM   #76
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SCOTUS is squarely bent right with a 6-3 count. ...
Yep, and I'd like to keep it that way although Roberts, IMO, is a little 'soft' on 'originalism.' There is also the possibility Thomas may retire within the next 4 years.



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It is Christian Nationalism that is more of a threat to freedom of religion and separation of church and state then the left. ...
Maybe, but my personal opinion is that the threat is over-blown.
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...It is the typical us versus them as a dire threat that has to be defeated out of a moral duty to defend Christian values and prevent the nation from falling into darkness."
As a Christian conservative I do think this Nation has strayed into moral depravity and is indeed in danger of falling deeper into darkness. Just my 2.
 
Old 02-14-2024, 11:47 AM   #77
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I absolutely support your right to vote for the candidate of your choice. I do find it baffling that Christians would vote for a rapist. Yes, he did that. ...
Found liable (in a civil suit), not found guilty of rape, there is a difference. As far as I'm concerned it was just a New York jury that wanted to stick it to the rich man. Juries often do what they want, just ask Nicole Brown Simpson's family.
"In written instructions, U.S. District Judge Lewis Kaplan asked jurors to decide whether the "preponderance of the evidence" shows that Trump "raped," "sexually abused," or "forcibly touched" Carroll. The jury checked "no" on the rape question." https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...l/70197179007/
 
Old 02-14-2024, 11:58 AM   #78
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Found liable (in a civil suit), not found guilty of rape, there is a difference. As far as I'm concerned it was just a New York jury that wanted to stick it to the rich man. Juries often do what they want, just ask Nicole Brown Simpson's family.
"In written instructions, U.S. District Judge Lewis Kaplan asked jurors to decide whether the "preponderance of the evidence" shows that Trump "raped," "sexually abused," or "forcibly touched" Carroll. The jury checked "no" on the rape question." https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...l/70197179007/
Trump is required to pay 83.3 million dollars for defamation. There are many other women who have accused the failed president of rape. You're okay with voting for a convicted felon?
 
Old 02-14-2024, 12:14 PM   #79
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Trump is required to pay 83.3 million dollars for defamation. There are many other women who have accused the failed president of rape. You're okay with voting for a convicted felon?
He is not yet a convicted felon and yes I'm going to vote for him because he is a better choice than the 'puppeteers' controlling the guy we now have as President.
 
Old 02-14-2024, 12:32 PM   #80
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...There is nothing in it that presents a case that any crime was committed, willfully, by anyone.
"Our investigation uncovered evidence that President Biden willfully retained and disclosed classified materials after his vice presidency when he was a private citizen. These materials included (1) marked classified documents about military and foreign policy in Afghanistan, and (2) notebooks containing Mr. Biden's handwritten entries about issues of national security and foreign policy implicating sensitive intelligence sources and methods. FBI agents recovered these materials from the garage, offices, and basement den in Mr. Biden's Wilmington, Delaware home." Page 5, Special Prosecutor's report.

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There were multiple kinds of documents referred to in this investigation, not all of which would have required protected access. Those differences matter.
Of course they matter but Biden is recorded telling his ghostwriter in 2017 that he had classified material yet took no steps to turn it in, then.
 
Old 02-14-2024, 12:35 PM   #81
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He is not yet a convicted felon and yes I'm going to vote for him because he is a better choice than the 'puppeteers' controlling the guy we now have as President.
I will grant that he is not a convicted felon *yet*. I find it staggering that you will vote for him even if he is a criminal. Trump must have some mind-altering super power that intelligent people think that he's a viable choice.
I have no words.
 
Old 02-14-2024, 12:41 PM   #82
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He is not yet a convicted felon and yes I'm going to vote for him because he is a better choice than the 'puppeteers' controlling the guy we now have as President.
The guy you support has said he would give Putin the green light to attack any of our NATO allies that have not yet dedicated 2% or more of their GDP to national defense. The current guy supports our allies and honors our treaties (as is required by law)!

Your guy is a criminal, he has been convicted of multiple cases of fraud: 17 in recent tax fraud cases alone. Your guy has been credibly accused of far more crimes than he has been convicted of, and some of those trials are ongoing. Joe Biden has never been convicted of a crime, and never even credibly accused.

Then there is economics: your guy cost lives and fortunes from the farming community with his trade wars, caused a small epidemic to go undetected and go pandemic costing us millions of lives, dropped us into a recession, and gave our enemies permission to interfere in our elections. The current guy came up with a plan to deploy vaccines to fight that pandemic worldwide, saved millions of lives, jump started the economy and prevented that recession from deepening, and kept inflation lower here than in most nations in the world.

The current guy also predicted the aggressive actions of Putin in Ukraine months in advance and quietly worked behind the scenes to inform and prepare Ukraine and our allies to react quickly when the attack came. Not to mention he commanded the exit your guy negotiated into the best organized and least costly withdrawl from a losing conflict in US history!

I always voted a mixed ticket in every election since 1970, until Obama ran. (I was a McCain guy, until he chose that brainless bimbo from Alaska as a running mate!) Since #45 I vote solid (D) because the other option is a vote against democracy and freedom, and I cannot support that. It is not that I agree with the Democrats (they often do not even agree with THEMSELVES) but I am sworn to uphold the constitution (which R have abandoned) and that they are the least insane option.

The current guy is just AMAZINGLY good at the job, as good as the last guy was TERRIBLE at it.

VOTE! If you really think #45 should get a chance to serve again as POTUS even if it is from prison, then vote for him. But never expect to convince me that he should ever serve again in any office. I was watching, and I know better.
 
Old 02-14-2024, 12:45 PM   #83
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But never expect to convince me that he should ever serve again in any office. I was watching, and I know better.
Well-said! As an interested observer living North of your great country I truly hope Biden wins. Trump is bad for Canada and the World in general.
 
Old 02-14-2024, 01:04 PM   #84
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For me the bottom line is Trust. I don't care if anyone imagines they could sit down with a candidate and have a conversation over a beer. I don't care on some level about a candidates private sex life. I figure that's the concern mainly of the people involved. I DO care deeply about coercion though so once convicted, if he is, that would be literally the end of any and all consideration by me at least. I also care, and care most about, not one or a handful of victims, but a whole nation of them and I sincerely see that is what's at stake if Trump does get elected again.

Certainly I'm alarmed that Trump's MAGA cult has co-opted much of the Right, to it's detriment in my view, and have studied where the exact fails occurred during the 2020 election and have systematically planned and worked hard to destroy any person who ever spoke anything negative about Trump but far more frighteningly to hound electors out of office to "load the dice". Worse, I don't see how anyone can believe a word the man utters. Literally at the moment of his birth his net worth was in the millions of dollars. He has been a pampered elitist his whole life and in my view will say anything to make "the rabble" believe he's on their side, when every action he's ever taken has been exploitative at the very least.

In my view he is NOT Conservative, he is a Despot that seeks the literal end of democracy in the US, and at the same time is such a narcissistic loose cannon is a threat to allyb and enemy alike all over the entire planet. I can't trust such a person in any position of even national power any more than I'd invite a rabid dog in my home. His speeches seem to me one Pavlov bell ring after another. I say Beware!
 
Old 02-14-2024, 03:15 PM   #85
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I hope Trump wins and the people who claim they were going to leave the USA last time will actually leave. Just think how great Canada will be. After all Canada allows suicide, the encourage it.

What caused my ability to retire vanish is unknown. I blame Biden but when common household items go up 5 times in his term and my pay goes up 3% there is a problem some place.
 
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I blame Biden but when common household items go up 5 times in his term and my pay goes up 3% there is a problem some place.
This is a global phenomena, not localized in the USA. The war in the Ukraine, COVID, supply chain issues have all clobbered the World economy. However, I think we're on the rebound as my investments are doing well once again. The stock market is a bull market under Biden and unemployment is down. Inflation will cool. I have no read on whether or not prices will come down.
 
Old 02-14-2024, 04:43 PM   #87
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Sometimes I just say stuff to stir the pot.

My investments have lost a lot. Guess I should have bought nvidia.

Inflation is almost always bad for retired people. Never has any cost of living actually kept up. The savings that people were told to save for retirement has been effectively cut in half. I was broke the last time interest rate was 17%.
 
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Much of the problems were due to the pandemic supply chain and the current war in Ukraine. It is difficult to determine how much inflation was caused by the rescue plan but it did add a few points. The US economy and unemployment recovered faster and did not enter a recession much to do with the Treasury's policies. Unfortunately because of the current situation lowering inflation is more difficult then anticipated. Also unfortunately prices rise faster than they go down if at all. I'm not happy about prices either but much is out of control of the administration.

Much of the economy was on automatic pilot IMHO during the last administration and when put on the spot failed miserably. His tax act did not pay for itself and added to the deficit as well as the USMCA did not balance trade as well as many of his other trade deals went flat. He has no foreign policy. Failed pandemic response. His administration was chaos, appointing the wrong people to cabinet positions etc. Tried to govern via rallies, speeches and tweets. Did not know that Puerto Rico was part of the United States. Politicized the Justice Department and FBI.
 
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Much of the economy was on automatic pilot IMHO during the last administration and when put on the spot failed miserably. His tax act did not pay for itself and added to the deficit as well as the USMCA did not balance trade as well as many of his other trade deals went flat. He has no foreign policy. Failed pandemic response. His administration was chaos, appointing the wrong people to cabinet positions etc. Tried to govern via rallies, speeches and tweets. Did not know that Puerto Rico was part of the United States. Politicized the Justice Department and FBI.
All true. Trump's COVID response was a major factor in his loss at the ballot box. He knew that COVID was far deadlier than he let on; his experts warned him about the lethal nature of COVID. If elected Trump will become a dictator. He's already said he will do that. Believe him.
 
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@hitest: You should therefore immediately move forward to declaring that "he must be guilty of 'insurrection'" and move immediately to the firing squad – just to be sure that he will not (somehow ...) "become a dictator." Because, you know: "He has already said that he will do that. Believe @hitest."

The "CEO" of any organization is unfortunately always in a very tight spot. He is singularly responsible – in a very real legal sense – for the behavior and liabilities of the corporation. Yet, "he is not an expert." If you work for, say, "DOW Chemical Corporation," no one can sue you. But they can, and certainly will, sue anyone on "the 'C-team.'"

The Chief Executive – who, unlike (say) Sen. Rand Paul – is not "a medical doctor" – must nevertheless make 'a command decision.' He literally "does not have the option not to." He must gather around himself what counsel he can, and then ... execute.

However: because he 'a wrong decision,' and because '(someone says that) he will become a dictator,' we should immediately be sure that someone like him 'will never rise again.' Because that's the real objective, isn't it?

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Let us all hope that "May you live in interesting times" is not "a curse," because ... like it or not, we are in it, and we cannot escape it. We are right now living in the very times that many generations of future historians are going to be writing about.

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