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Old 02-12-2024, 08:54 AM   #46
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ka2abr,

Welcome to LQ! Heh.
I also think Biden is good for the country and that he's done good work. He passed an enormous amount of helpful legislation and the US economy is doing well. That is not what is at issue. The age issue is starting to become a problem for Biden even though he is similar in age to Trump. Voters are uncomfortable with his advanced years.
Having said all that I do think he'll defeat Trump. Trump has legal liabilities that I suspect will soon hamper his chances to be POTUS.
 
Old 02-12-2024, 09:04 AM   #47
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This will be my only post in this tread. Trump is 3 years younger than Biden and he also has just as many memory issues as Biden. The difference is Trump does not have a speech disability.

To me, both are too old, but when it comes to memory lapses, they both have the same exact issue. The only difference is Trump is a danger to the world.

I know Trump fans will call this fake news, but here it is anyway:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...analysis-biden
I think the stuttering thing is a cop-out. I've listened to many Biden speeches over the years, starting with the Clarence Thomas/Annita Hill imbroglio. He was very literate in those days. I stuttered for several years as a youth when my family and teachers tried to coerce me from being left handed to being a 'righty.' They finally gave up and eventually I quit stuttering, perhaps from stress relief. Biden has noticeably gotten worse since his term as VP. Of course I'm only 75 so only time will tell.
Edit: "To me, both are too old" - I do agree on that.

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Old 02-12-2024, 09:26 AM   #48
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i think Trump is a dangerous man.

"Trump suggests he’d encourage Russia to attack countries not paying enough to NATO"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbGOS4PCTfo

thats just crazy talk.
 
Old 02-12-2024, 10:25 AM   #49
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When Donald Trump conducts a rally, no one has to lead him off the stage or hope that he still knows how to read a teleprompter. He is very-clearly not mentally impaired. At all.

Like it or not, Joe Biden is in the final stages of Alzheimer's – just like Lenoid Brezhnev, back in the day – and the disease is very fatal. Eventually, you no longer "remember" how to swallow.

"No, don't watch the final videos of Brezhnev."

Quite unlike what we did for "Ronnie," he was the victim of the same horrific and politically-motivated elder abuse that we are now inflicting on "Poor Joe." Unfortunately for all of them, Nature will eventually exact its ruthless and final price, and their "puppet" will die. Horribly. (I am frankly quite surprised that Biden has survived this long – and I'm not sure that anyone should now call it, "survival.")

When politics is in play (these days ...), the "'P'-word" that they might use for you is "President." But, the real one is "Pawn."

Please, let me just wake up tomorrow morning to the glad news that "'Poor Joe' just didn't wake up this morning to eat his applesauce." I will celebrate ... for his sake ... because for him it will finally be over. ("Ask me how I know ...")

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Like it or not, Joe Biden is in the final stages of Alzheimer's just like Lenoid Brezhnev, back in the day and the disease is very fatal. Eventually, you no longer "remember" how to swallow.
yeah, i agree with that.
i wonder who would be the next president after Biden/Trump.
 
Old 02-12-2024, 11:14 AM   #51
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For some crazy reason whenever I think about the upcoming election I keep hearing Springsteen singing...

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Originally Posted by Bruce Springsteen - Thunder Road

You can hide 'neath your covers and study your pain
Make crosses from your lovers, throw roses in the rain
Waste your summer praying in vain for a savior to rise from these streets
Well now I'm no hero, that's understood
All the redemption I can offer, girl, is beneath this dirty hood
With a chance to make it good somehow
Hey what else can we do now
But then I'm not much younger than either of these figureheads.
 
Old 02-12-2024, 11:54 AM   #52
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i think Trump is a dangerous man.
Absolutely true! He's already shown his true colors by attempting to overthrow American democracy. I truly hope that Americans don't elect that alleged criminal.
 
Old 02-12-2024, 05:50 PM   #53
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If he truly "tried to overthrow American democracy" by the act of giving an official speech and/or an official Tweet while sitting as the President of the United States, then immediately two things should happen:

• "Overthrowing the Government" is treason, and the punishment is death. Trump should therefore be immediately seized, taken to the Capitol steps, and there publicly executed by firing squad.

Then, if any similar "treasonous activity" can be found for any other surviving President, they should also immediately be publicly executed.

There will be no trial – there is no need for one. "Their actions are self-evident," according to the military tribunal.

Having done this, you will now have two immediate problems:

(1) No one will ever volunteer to be President. And, probably, no one will volunteer to be a Senator or a Representative, either. You might quickly run out of State Legislatures and even Governors and Mayors.

(2) You will have a genuine "Civil War 2.0" on your hands. And, if it is found that you had anything to do with any of this, or even spoke in favor of it, your life will probably also be forfeit.

We have fairly-endless examples of this sort of action: "banana republics" the world over are chock-full of them. And let history show that none of them ever turned out well.

Otherwise: Our nation had better learn very quickly how to tone-down this rhetoric and how to begin to solve the many problems that it now has. Without blaming them on any one person, no matter who (s)he is.

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Old 02-12-2024, 06:47 PM   #54
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"Overthrowing the Government" is treason, and the punishment is death. Trump should therefore be immediately seized, taken to the Capitol steps, and there publicly executed by firing squad.
Yes I am aware that the punishment for overthrowing a government is death (according to the US constitution). We're now three years after the insurrection and Trump is sadly, still a free man. The wheels of justice are grinding to a halt or maybe they've already come off the cart.
If any other US citizen did what Trump did he would be in jail or worse. As an interested observer living north of the US I hope that democracy does not fail in your fine country. We're in danger.
 
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Donald Trump is a bad man beyond the shadow of a doubt, but I don't remember him being a bad president. His foreign policies mostly worked; he was one of the creators of the Abraham Accords, he saw through the trading deal with Iran which the Iranians were cheating on (ditto for China), and he even got Kim jong-un to talk to him. He also presided over domestic prosperity until covid wrecked it.

There's a wonderful book called 1066 and all that which gives a hilarious overview of English history, and it repeatedly points out that, when kings actually held power, good men mostly made bad kings and vice versa. Maybe the same holds for US preseidents, who are the nearest thing to medieval monarchs that the free world still has.
 
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If you think that Trump "plotted to overthrow the Government" while he, himself, was the Chief Executive Officer of that Government, then you should waste no time pressing your point. Walk right on stage at his next rally attended by thousands of people, publicly announce that he is "guilty of insurrection," and shoot him in the head.

Do not expect to get out of there alive.

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Otherwise, you are going to have to stop and consider that maybe your assessments of this man – as they have been incessantly shoveled to you by propagandists working for "your" Government – maybe need to be re-considered by you.

Because: I sincerely hope that "May You Live In Interesting Times" is not "a curse." Because all of us, right now, are smack-dab in the middle of "times" just as "interesting" as those of Abraham Lincoln. Go read your history books. No, not the ones they spoon-fed you in elementary school: the real ones. There was never(!) anything "easy" written there.

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"'History' is 'Happening,' Right Now, and We are In It."
We are going to be the ones that "generations of future historians" will be writing about incessantly – if our Nation manages once again, somehow, to survive that long.

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Old 02-13-2024, 10:18 AM   #57
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...Walk right on stage at his next rally attended by thousands of people, publicly announce that he is "guilty of insurrection," ...
Please don't post stuff such as this even in jest.
 
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...(1) No one will ever volunteer to be President. And, probably, no one will volunteer to be a Senator or a Representative, either. You might quickly run out of State Legislatures and even Governors and Mayors. ...
Spot on.


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...We're now three years after the insurrection and Trump is sadly, still a free man. The wheels of justice are grinding to a halt or maybe they've already come off the cart.
If any other US citizen did what Trump did he would be in jail or worse. ...
See that's the problem, almost half of this Country on my side of the aisle (conservative) believes that there was no 'insurrection' because there were virtually no firearms. A riot in which some but not all of the rioters committed violence, sure, but no insurrection. For myself and a bunch of my colleagues - if you engaged in physical violence against the guards and police you should pay a steep price, no question.

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Donald Trump is a bad man beyond the shadow of a doubt, but I don't remember him being a bad president. His foreign policies mostly worked; he was one of the creators of the Abraham Accords, he saw through the trading deal with Iran which the Iranians were cheating on (ditto for China), and he even got Kim jong-un to talk to him. He also presided over domestic prosperity until covid wrecked it. ...
Exactly. I believe I put in another post that, for me, both Biden and Trump are bad choices but, again for me, Trump is the less odiferous of the two. Electing Trump again might return governance of this Country to a more conservative path in addition to the possibility of another conservative Justice should Thomas retire.

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@ Hazel - I think "bad man" contains both objective and subjective elements, but ultimately is highly subjective in real world assessments so it really doesn't matter much. The evidence is right here in this very thread, especially among those that align steadfastly as Party Politics Loyalists. From the wider historical viewpoint it is a good thing that JFK was president even if all we consider is the Cuban Missile Crisis, yet there are those associated with the US Military that ignored intelligence that the Cuba-Russian alliance actually had nuclear warhead missiles ready to launch, already aimed at US targets, all the while teling JFK (once again) that invasions was not only necessary and safe but that "the Cuban people will welcome us as heroes" and they and those so aligned think JFK was a very bad man. Others think JFK was a very bad man because he was a womanizer and while married as well. The CIA hated him and NASA loved him. It isn't so simple and binary as Good vs/ Bad. To the worm, the Robin's song doesn't sing "Cheerup!".

The US and Donald Trump as it's then President hosted the Abrahamic Accord negotiations acting strictly as mediator. I don't know much about the whole process but I don't think then President Trump was anything like the architect of that accord. More than that, I totally disagree with even the idea that " US preseidents, who are the nearest thing to medieval monarchs that the free world still has.". One only has to look at Obama's previous terms as US President to see that if a party is so inclined they can completely thwart and block as well as substantially alter any action a US President longs for and introduces.

In fact this is one of the characteristics of Donald Trump that I completely understand as desirable to a President but is also to be denied despite how comfortable it may seem to be on the surface, and that is the "with me or agin' me" urge to stuff all departments with Loyalists and destroy all perceived as not doggedly loyal. For crying out loud he even turned violently on his chosen running mate and VP!

As President Donald Trump did enact some good measures but a lot more bad ones unless you are a member of the Military-Industrial Elite. I can't but wonder that his TV celebrity infused popularity and deal maker experience made him a strong candidate for those uber wealthy and uber powerful elite who prefer "my guy on the inside" puppets who can "sell a bait and switch bill of goods" to the Great Unwashed.
 
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@enorbet "More than that, I totally disagree with even the idea that " US preseidents, who are the nearest thing to medieval monarchs that the free world still has."." Obama signed off on having the U.S. military vaporize a 16 year old American citizen sitting around a camp fire hundreds of miles away from any US assets. Sounds pretty much like a 'medieval monarch' to me.
 
  


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