You need to educate yourself. There is nothing in the definition of insurrection that mentioned firearms of any kind, and firearms are not a requirement. An organized army is not a requirement, but we say militia forces in formations advancing upon and attacking the capital. Those forces were invited there by the then President, and told to "go down to the capital and fight like hell". They did, as did many of the crowd that followed them. As they were following his orders he is responsible for that action.

The government and people he commanded had voted him out of office. How is his insurrection to override the election and remain in office illegally not making sense to you?

I agree, and would add it was not overreaction but under-reaction that caused so many deaths.
Had the detection and response teams been maintained in China (and other countries) instead of being withdrawn when Trump took office Covid might have been detected and isolated in a single province and never become a pandemic. Even had it still spread, we would have had MONTHS more warning and been able to take steps far sooner.

Had we started testing, isolating, locking down infection events, and taking other precautions how many of the deadly variants would never have existed?

And, by the way, Covid is still killing about 2000 people a week in the US alone. Some variations are increasing in different countries. This is not over, and may not be for generations. We just stopped paying attention.

The impact of long-covid may never be fully measured. I know we have both professional and amateur athletes were world class that can no longer perform. I know at least two world class musicians who now perform and pretty average levels, when they can remember the music at all. I have to wonder how many people had minor cases and do not understand why they are having issues thinking, remembering, planning, and performing like they once did and just think they suck now, when it is the effect of covid. Our loss is not ONLY those who died, we have walking wounded and they may be in the majority!

And it is still going on.

FYI: other than military and law enforcement, all of DC is a firearm free zone. Nowhere in DC is it legal for a civilian to carry a firearm, not just in the capital grounds.

Those who were charged and convicted of insurrection all claimed that they were following the orders of President Trump.
Who does not believe them? We saw his tweets, and heard his speeches, he gave most of the orders in public.

Why do you continue saying this as if Trump wished to pull the rug out from under his own feet? .. cutting off his nose to spite his face. That's not what he was doggedly after. He wanted to win the election by any means possible, including the VP illegally declaring the election fraudulent and "finding the votes to win" or a violent attack on the Capitol and apparently approved at the very least of "Hang Pence!" for not doing Trump's illegal bidding.

I say forget about "insurrection" until the courts decide if the action actually fits the LEGAL description and while you're at it forget the other radical pole of "typical tourists". Forget about ANY slanted news media as that has always existed and requires some critical thought to suss out. There are enouigh public statements and actions to easily see that objectively Trump isn't much different than a Cartel leader or local drug dealer. NOTHING is off the table to thwart any action or speech that he views as contrary to his interests whether you have been a ling time enemy or friend.

There is a very interesting Joe Rogan podcast interviewing Penn Jilette who spent many days around Trump back in 2 instances of Trump's TV shows, before Trump got political aspirations, The Apprentice and Celebrity Apprentice, here - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-UK40_XkWw . It's interesting on several accounts. First, Penn got some accolades as well as flack for some positive assessments on Trump so it appears he has not been toe-ing any party line of any kind, a bit more objective, and also, being before Trump's political career is useful foreshadowing of what we could expect. It seems those traits have only been expanded and refined but have been ever present.

It all reminds me of the dark joke about "The Frog and The Scorpion".

The war on terror led to many atrocities around the world, all in the name of defeating terrorism. To single out this incident, while ignoring others, makes you tone deaf.

For someone claiming to have, "history as a mistress," you don't seem to know much of it.

Much like the topic of this whole thread, you don't seem to be interested in the facts of the case. You've bought the sensationalism.

The sixth amendment guarantees American citizens the right to a jury trial with only 3 exceptions and none of them give a President, any President, the right to be judge, jury and executioner unless one is directly involved in an act of violence. You can give up that right if you want to (assuming you are entitled to Bill of Rights Protections) but I don't plan to do so.

You left out the part where Trump preceded those words with: "I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard."
https://www.npr.org/2021/02/10/96639...eachment-trial

Trump used the word 'hell' 17 times and 'fight' 23 times in his speech, not once with the context of physical violence that I could see.

Again, you're being tone deaf.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killin...awar_al-Awlaki "Nawar "Nora" al-Awlaki was an eight-year-old American citizen who was killed on January 29, 2017, during the Raid on Yakla, a commando attack ordered by U.S. President Donald Trump."

An 8 year old girl. Her blood is on Trump's hands.
You lost those rights in the name of the war on terror. It wasn't Obama nor Biden who took them away.

Some consider that "myopic", but in the traffic before the day we saw (and heard) a call to action, on the day we heard orders given, and on the day we saw those orders carried out in an act of insurrection. People have been convicted of crimes of insurrection in courts of law for that day, although not all involved have yet been charged and convicted. Trump is one of those still pending indictment. I am fine with that. The multiple crimes he HAS been convicted of and the 90+ charges still pending can be decided first. His guilt is so clear, I am not concerned about the outcome.

And, by the way, multiple courts HAVE decided he was guilty of insurrection as a side issue to a different question: eligibility to be included on a ballot! Apparently the question is as clear to Judges as it is to most of us.

Not at all:
Apparently you aren't comprehending the inclusion of Trump.

You only lose rights if you don't [fight] strive for them.
Edit: Don't want to be accused of insurrection, lol.

Are any of them Federal courts? I really don't know.

Edit: ...but of course, only one court counts, if they take it up.

You're talking as if you still have them.

I seem to recall that Our Founding Fathers saw fit to install Checks and Balances to create a tendency to stay Center as well as diverse and limited Executive terms precisely to allow for evolving change absent violence. That also extends to the difference in how many Senators (equal per state) and how many Representatives (proportioned to State population. Unfortunately Lobbyists and Supreme Court stacking has upset the balance, but AFAIK it is only authoritarians that justify violence especially based on ideology. Who are, or even can be, the Brain Police?

I do feel our right to privacy has been curtailed by the Patriot and RESTRICT ACT (still in committee) that I mentioned here: https://www.linuxquestions.org/quest...27-4175733723/
IF you are an American citizen what Constitutionally guaranteed rights do you feel you have lost?