i had a windows desktop (p800, geforce2, 640Mb) and a brand new amilo laptop (3ghz ht, radeon9600 mobility). first i installed linux on desktop. worked fine. then i installed linux on laptop. didn´t work that fine (broadcomm wlan, pc-card bluetooth etc). i could get wlan to work with ndiswrapper but bluetooth would have ment a lot of work.
so, i sold amilo and bought 17" powerbook. its great. osx works fine on it, wlan & bluetooth are fast to use and config, windows networkin is fine (it´s samba afterall) and it´s got a great commandline. then i put applex11 and fink on it, so i have apt-get for fink and can install loads of linux progs.
i use osx mainly for surfing and movies, so the screen res don´t bother me. in fact, the screen looks very good from any angle except from below.
best, powerbook is very pretty and adjusts screen brightness according to ambient light. simple and nice.
osx works fine with linux (ssh, ftp, samba, nfs, x11).
so where does apple suck? in their advertising, their unwillingness to licens anything, job´s closed environment ideology etc.
when i get tired of it, i can allways install debian on pb (though it too has broadcomm, so wlan is not possible [yet, if ever]). but i can always buy a pc-card wlan if i want.
osx is pretty much everything u need for a computer used for entertainment. and since i use only oos on it, it is not too expensive to keep up with the latest versions.
one last thing for those who like their +3ghz pc laptops: mine is totally quiet, goes to sleep and wakes in 2 secs and wlan works right away after wake-wake. mine does not have trouble with firewire equipment (maybe not a problem under linux, but definetly under windows).
apple is a black&white choise. some things are great, some things really suck. but i am satisfied, since i can always get to my linux box via ssh with wlan, eth or bt-gprs. from anywhere. in fact, that´s the way i use my linux 99% of the time.
so, to my experience tux likes apples ok. i really see no reason why apple shouldn´t exist.

Metaphore should be Linux is to OSX as Gimp is to Photoshop. All are great products, but both OSX and Photoshop are more professional for end-users and are closed-source. Linux and Gimp are great for hobbyists and are open-sourced. The only real fields where Linux overtakes OSX is in the server and development fields, otherwise OSX is slightly ahead, if not ahead by a fair amount.

so let me get this straight, you tried installing linux on an unsupported laptop, and it didnt work. did you ever think of going to one of the websites that tells you which distros works perfectly OOB on which laptops? so, after selling it, you decided to get OSX and ever since you got it youve been trying to make it more like linux?

smooth.

screenbrightnessss autoadjust and the lightup keyboard are admittidly cool. but thats all apple ever gets, cool little features.

apple sucks in their cockiness, in their shitty hardware, and most importantly, in their users.

did you by any chance see what real did and what the mac users did to real?

their stupidity defies logic. so, real makes a HIGHER QUALITY product (192kb, vs 128) and sells it at HALF the price that works on ipods through windows. now, realising that htis would hurt sales of ITMS(like its planned to do), they start insulting real. i think they are a little bit jealous... i mean, what kind of people would rather pay double, for shitty music than buy music from someone other than apple. the brand loyalty is amazing, and its what allows apple to be so cocky, and release shitty hardware. time and time again.

aobut how much you like your pb, compared to the dell d800, the dell has a 1.7ghz pentium m (about as fast as 2.6ish ghz) it also wakes from sleep instantly, and so does the wlan. as for problems with firewire, where did you get htat pile of crap? i editted a movie for school on it, through WINDOWS movie maker through FIREWIRE and i got an A, so there. unlike most macs until recently, it also has support for usb 2. i love how all the mac users again insult usb 2 and say that firewire is much better due to, once again, brand loyalty. but when usb2 comes to mac, it suddenly all dies down. jealousy is hwat it is.

"Metaphore should be Linux is to OSX as Gimp is to Photoshop"

but thaat would imply that apple is better than linux, which is wrong.

aobut hte politics thing, i was comparing it to the idealogy of the companies. kerry is like microsoft(i changed my mind, and this time it actually works). even though hes liberal, he still dosent mind big bussiness, and hes rich. nader is like linux, cause hes poor like torvalds, hes very socialist(like linux is) and because hes my favourite candidate. bush is like apple, cause i hate him. and hes based on big bussiness and supports monopolies and all. oh, and hes a failure. (not to mention, rumour has it that his "hardware" isnt up to snuff, if you know what i mean )

Edit: forgot to mention that i hate republicans as much as i hate apple fanboys. not really republicans, just hte bushapologists. seriously, if youre republican, dont vote for bush. he makes the reps look bad and in 4 years when a democrat is against a republican, the dem is sure to win after 4 more years of bushisms.

well, seeing as how you brought up xvsxp in this thread, even though were not talking about xp, i decided to add mepis linux+kde into the mix. i tried to be as fair as possible rating it the same way he did. download the pdf file at my da page here http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/9947792/

if you think i was wrong in one area, do tell. personally, i cant wait till i get to the part about included programs and i get to compare ms paint to gimp, and wordpad to openoffice writer

i updated it now, it has some screenshots and stuff. if anyone wants to help me write it, by all means...

nuka_t it seems your just mad cause Apple has been getting a little publicity lately. Apple hardware is always top notch which is one reason they cost more. Job's even said that their displays that do not pass Apple's quality test are sold to the other Monitor manufacturing companies because even those are better than most. Pevelius is, at least to me, not trying to make OS X more like Linux. He is just installing programs from source (OS X is UNIX you know) Apple power books are amazing machines. They are rated extremely high even in the PC realm. However, i'm not going to tell you they can compete with high end PC notebooks with speed. But as long as your not making rendering a totally animated movie on it they have enough speed. Actually the guy who made all the SpyKids movies made them all on his 17in power book. But like I said as long as you know anything about computers all OS's will work for you. OS X has it's advantage over linux because it is easier to use and more professional like r_jensen11 said. By professional I mean it has all the major pro apps used in the industry today. If it's so bad why are they the computer of choose for music, movies and soon to be supercomputers(maybe this has been the biggest shock to me since all of a sudden they are the hottest deal in supercomputing, who would have guessed?) Some music colleges actually require you to have a power book. Anyway nuka_t your posts just seem like you just want to hate on Apple even if they had perfect software or hardware (which i know they don't ) BTW I like you desktop screen shot you put up. You got all kinds of cool apps on there... i wish I had those on my distro... (I'm using fluxbox cause KDE constantly freezes on me and I don't know why) Are those things on your desktop KDE only?

ya, i tried putting em in fluxbox when i used it but the transparency didnt work. it gives a black box isntead of transparency.

"re amazing machines. They are rated extremely high even in the PC realm. "

only on cnet :P

the only two advantages of a powerbook that i can see are that its thin, and that its keyboard lights up.

about the pbook for spykids thing, that cant be true. it would have taken years to render a full movie on one laptop. sure, he could have modeledt the movies on the powerbook, but not rendered them.

speaking of which, at shool, we have no problems using maya on old pentium 2's with 386 mb ram and 8mb video cards. so that really isnt a huge accomplishment. just about any 700 dollar modern laptop can be used to make spykids, as long as it had dedicated video card and a half a gig of ram.

am i mad that apple is getting more attention? no. i didnt even know they were getting more attention until you pointed it out.

im glad you think spinning lollipops are professional, you will get far in life.

and i dont think they use garageband at music colleges. in any OS, you can find "professional" apps. saying that "osx is the only os that can run photoshop" is bullshit. i dont know of any pro music editting progs for linux, but im not going to any music colleges soon, so i wont worry about that one.

oh, and try swaretingkde 3.3.0, im sure its more stable than the one you have now.

Ya I didn't mean rendering, just the stuff you mentioned. Um ya they don't use garage band they use Pro Tools. And no I don't believe Photoshop can only be run on a Mac. I don't know anything about lollipops but I do know what up time is and productivity and that is where OS X and Linux excel. You keep saying OS X is so terrible are you sure your not thinking of OS 9? OS X and linux are almost the same except for the price. This is should just be a UNIX vs. Linux because there is no more Mac. There is only Windows, Unix and Linux.

i am sorry if i stated my past doings in a fashion that sounded like that. actually i got all the distros i tried to work just fine (i just didn´t dig deep enough to solve the bt, since nobody had written anything about it. i asked here and there many times about it, but alas in vain.) but the bluetooth was not the real issue for me. i swithces cuz my friend had pb and i really liked it a lot. plus i couldn´t stand the fan noise of amilo.
i don´t mind using open source apps. to me they don´t represent linux, but freedom. i remind you that i still have osx gui which is great. i also have osx terminal & many freeones.

i agree with the cockiness fully. shitty hardware is a two-edged sword, since most of the components are the same you find in x86 (except pretty casing, processor and mb). users however are out of apples hands, i think everyone represents themselves.

yes i did and i too got allmost angry. on the day that apple informed that they accuse real of cracking i gave them feedback that they shouldn´t since they advertise themselves as a consumer oriented company. i also signed the petition and sent the link to my friends who have ipod (i don´t have, nor am i ever buying one). after that i heard that some mac users had started their crusade against real. they too have a right to speak up. i personally don´t believe in such loyalty.

perhaps, yes, they do, yes, some, it really is amazing, yes, not sure about that.

i like my pb prettier, but dell must be a real good machine, too. m-processors were not available with a good 3d-accelerator when i bought my last x86 laptop.
i experienced a really frustrating problem with my 250Gb Lacie FW-disk. you can read more at http://www.bustrace.com/products/delayedwrite.htm . that is windows-only, i had my errors under windows, too. i never got to try it under linux, so i don´t know if my problem was with os or hardware. anyway, lacie works fine under osx. just as well as usb2 equipment. i don´t actually favor one over the other as long as they don´t give me hard times.

but, this is getting way too fas from the topic. i apologise (if anyone has read this far )
may you all be happy with your soft- & hardware.

^

about your fw drive
"we are happy to report that the released version of Service Pack 2 does indeed solve the problem for us"

if ms had released windows xp sp2 as xp gold back in 2001, the world would be very different. for one thing, firefox probably wouldnt exist. msblaster and such wouldnt have happened, etc.

given that source code for Longhorn will not be available (which is really a complete re-write of the Linux kernal), i would not worry about the latest beast from Gates.... it'll just be a fresh coat of paint over the same old bullshit.... Bill's 17,000 developers might seem like an army, but they are not a spec of dust compared to the millions of open source people...

just another cheap rip at the consumers expense...

nuff said

- perry

Perry your link is not working, atleast not for me. Oh and I totally agree with you on your statement. It's been the same old, same old for years and when longhorn hits the streets people will be like, "Hey look how pretty this is and wow now I have some of those features linux users have been using for years.... wait a minute why did my screen turn blue?"

while its true that longhorn has features similair to linux, they are better executed. for example, thumbnails in longhorn can be bigger than thumbnails in KDE, same with icons. whether its usable at such a large size is not the point, it still gives you that choice.

oh, and what the hell does longhorn have to do with osx vs linux?

I have 2 things to say, Linux is as close to perfection as you can get and it's free, how can you beat that???