Suse 10.1 Alpha

peter_89 · 04-22-2006, 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Old_Fogie

Well I'm glad that you brought it to my attention if you felt that my post was trashing SUSE because that was not my intention in any way shape or form. As I re-read my post I can see your point.

However, the clear and simple fact in my mind is that this rc of SUSE does not do what it claims to in an efficient and trouble-free manner yet. I'm sure in time they will get it tho.

You see my problem was not getting SUSE in on my computers. In fact I was even able to get SUSE in on my 10 year old laptop. My problems were related to the items that separate SUSE from many other linux distro's such as Slackware. Items that are independent of the machine that they are installed on or the environment.

For example, to the naked eye, Slackware and SUSE are the same. Both running KDE, well the both look the same. But Slackware is no SUSE. Slackware has no Yast. No autoinstall, No dependency checks, No firewall, No antivirus, No HP software, No app guard. Slackware is not a beginners linux, but SUSE is targeting to be for home, office, beginner and expert. There's a ton of features in SUSE that I love that are included out of the box per say or can be accessed thru Yast. I wish slackware did have them more easily available for me to put in and that is why I tried SUSE.

God in Slackware because I'm a noob, it honestly took me about a week to get the ability to use my cd-rom as non root and about another few days to figure out how to format a floppy! I would love the idea of point and click. And for the record, I'd never recommend to a friend who knows nothing of linux to go slackware either. If anything I'd tell him to give me his pc and I'll load it for him with slackware before he went thru all the pains I went thru. Fortunately I made it thru my installations here because these forums are awesome and people are so helpful it's amazing.

But my issues with slackware is no new news so I didn't go into reviewing that OS and it's issues when I said I'm going back to slack in my original post. I took it for granted that people knew where I was coming from I guess. But with Yast related items consistently failing me on all pc's, I found myself having to edit config files directly. Well if I'm gonna do that well I might as well just run slackware which only uses config files and has no gui or wizards to do settings for me or lock up my machine.

This is a release candidate, which means here guys tell us what you think. Well SUSE is shooting for corporate lan installs, security, dependecy check and of course point and click. I had problems with their distinguishing features in this rc; and was just telling others of things i found on my end.

Thank you.
I'm very sorry if I sounded too crabby in my previous posts here, I was really quite tired and it was a long night.

TigerLinux · 04-23-2006, 08:57 PM

http://linux.softpedia.com/progDownl...load-3842.html

what is delta ISO ?

leandean · 04-23-2006, 11:20 PM

Deltas are a 'bit' update like when you update with Yast. You've seen the 'applying delta' during the update process. Same thing here only you are updating the original iso. In this case RC1. They replace any code that has changed instead of overwriting the entire module. It makes for a much smaller download but makes up for it with the time it takes to build the new isos. Once you apply the deltas to RC1.iso you get RC2.iso.

peter_89 · 04-24-2006, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by trriangle

Hi,

I suppose WinFS system to be quite and interesting one. If you also wish to find some info on it I can recommend this source: THE WHOLE INTERNET That has plenty info on that structure and more.

All of your posts have been about advertizing REMOVED as a site to find information about the WinFS filesystem, however, upon further examination it is nothing but a site to sell an NTFS data backup application, and even without taking that factor into regard it is still advertizing. I am regarding this as spam, and am reporting you to a moderator. If you have an objection to this, then please voice it now.
Anyway...
SUSE 10.1 final release delayed indefinately, and a new release cantidate three pushed to the 28th:
http://en.opensuse.org/Roadmap
I had the feeling they would do this.

onjoo · 04-24-2006, 08:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by peter_89

All of your posts have been about advertizing REMOVED as a site to find information about the WinFS filesystem, however, upon further examination it is nothing but a site to sell an NTFS data backup application, and even without taking that factor into regard it is still advertizing. I am regarding this as spam, and am reporting you to a moderator. If you have an objection to this, then please voice it now.
Anyway...
SUSE 10.1 final release delayed indefinately, and a new release cantidate three pushed to the 28th:
http://en.opensuse.org/Roadmap
I had the feeling they would do this.

To the spam part I can say that I already reported that to the mods this morning...

And what can I say about the new roadmap... Im not at all surprised about it, because there are still many bugs in the update/patch section .

Im quite sure we will see the goldmaster next week.

TigerLinux · 04-24-2006, 08:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by leandean

Deltas are a 'bit' update like when you update with Yast. You've seen the 'applying delta' during the update process. Same thing here only you are updating the original iso. In this case RC1. They replace any code that has changed instead of overwriting the entire module. It makes for a much smaller download but makes up for it with the time it takes to build the new isos. Once you apply the deltas to RC1.iso you get RC2.iso.

What if I do not have RC2 ?

RedShirt · 04-24-2006, 08:14 AM

You start with RC1 ISOs then you end up with RC 2. You can't download a straight ISO for RC 2. You have to convert RC 1 ISOs. So if you don't have anything now, you need to download RC 1 and the deltas.

XavierP · 04-24-2006, 02:43 PM

The nasty link is now gone.

leandean · 04-24-2006, 10:43 PM

TigerLinux,

Here's the link, even though I remember seeing it elsewhere here

When it says it take a while, they aren't kidding.

http://en.opensuse.org/Download_Inst...ing_Delta_ISOs

Anyway, I'm quite pleased with RC2. I did the upgrade route from RC1 and it went smoother than I expected. I'm not real pleased with the new package manager (libzypp or zmd or whatever they call it) though. I had to install pwgen before phpMyAdmin so I figured I would take the easy way out and just browse to the rpm in Konquerer and let yast install it. Took 5 minutes with the new manager. Needless to say I did the phpMyAdmin install via the cli.

TigerLinux · 05-02-2006, 06:24 PM

Now is Suse 10.1 RC3, what is the next?
When will we get the Gold Master Suse 10.1?
In this month? After Worldcup?

leandean · 05-02-2006, 11:57 PM

As far as I'm concerned, except for the new package manager, it's pretty close. The RC3 install (upgrade) went smoother than RC2 and I thought that went extremely well. The installer still can't make up it's mind whether it wants to make the existing config files .rpm.save or the default file. But at least you know what to look for and it doesn't overwrite them like it occasionally has in the past.

One thing I don't understand is that nothing has been mentioned in the 'most annoying' section about libzypp. That's 'THE' most annoying. Another thing is that if you configure the updater during the install it doesn't give you a choice of mirror sites. And when you do an update with Yast it give you the packages to select, but no progress info or dependencies. It just says 'finished' when done.

That's my mini rant for the night. Maybe by the next RC they'll shut off more debuggers. Then I'll install it on my work machine.

Once more with feeling. "Turn off the new package manager until 10.2. It's not worth holding up the entire release."

dth1 · 05-03-2006, 11:21 AM

leandean - cheers for posting. it is good to learn how 10.1 is progressing

onjoo · 05-04-2006, 04:57 AM

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Originally Posted by TigerLinux

Now is Suse 10.1 RC3, what is the next?
In this month? After Worldcup?

After Worldcup? LOL

It is released "when its done".

I can tell you that RC4 is now being tested by official suse team. Will it be realeased today or will they wait couple of days and release the goldmaster this weekend? Who knows...

peter_89 · 05-04-2006, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by onjoo

After Worldcup? LOL

It is released "when its done".

I can tell you that RC4 is now being tested by official suse team. Will it be realeased today or will they wait couple of days and release the goldmaster this weekend? Who knows...

They're planning more release cantidates?

leandean · 05-04-2006, 11:07 PM

From opensuse.org ::

"We have fixed the majority of bugs from RC3 and look forward to the
goldmaster - if testing does not show serious problems.