Suse 10.1 Alpha

onjoo · 03-28-2006, 06:08 PM

Just finished a network installation of pre-RC (ftp installation using factory).

No big problems at first.
I choose KDE and yast offered me 1900 megabytes of stuff to download.
Pico has been left out completely (so I had to pick nano).
Also i deselected some of the suff for example digikam documentations(40megs) and cups related stuff, because I don't have printer...

Waited a couple of hours and system booted. Fine, everything was in order.
Entered the usual settings and users..

System booted to KDE . Surfed in the net awhile , tested this and that and then it was time to get the audio codecs from packman.

Ok, checked the installation sources, the ftp-mirror was still there from the install process. Ok now i added packmans 10.1. directory as repo and clicked software management.
BUT there was nothing new to download...
Checked back to the sources and disabled/enabled and added it second time, but still nothing.
I thought that maybe yast was broken and tried my luck with rug.

Next big problem, RUG( the new textmode installer) didn't have any sources. Hmm.. thats strange. Even the normal installation source was missing. Tried the zen-installer and there weren't anything neither.

Adding factory-extra as repository works fine in yast, but sources still aren't presented in rug/zen.

Ok, so the new package manager is still pretty much broken.

onjoo · 03-30-2006, 09:42 AM

Roadmap update:

Apr 25, 2006 is the new intended SUSE Linux 10.1 Announce Date.

RedShirt · 03-30-2006, 10:37 AM

Yup Onjoo, but worse than that...

Quote:

Mar 31, 2006
SUSE Linux 10.1 Beta 9 release.

Apr 12, 2006
SUSE Linux 10.1 RC 1 release.

On the plus side, it does mean Novell is really sticking for quality this time, instead of like 9.3 and 10.0's slightly rushed release that lead to more than reasonable bugs before updating. I do like them sticking it out for quality, and I am glad they are doing it right, instead of just fast. But I do wish they could do it right faster

smiley_lauf · 03-31-2006, 12:23 AM

Any idea what the beta 9 will bring? what major chnages are expected?

onjoo · 03-31-2006, 04:10 AM

Beta9 is mainly bugfixes to the new package manager (libzupp/zen/rug/yast)
+kde has small fixes
+update to a bit newer kernel
+couple of networkManager fixes

My experiences.
Yast can now read sources, but adding a new one takes ages( never stops)

When I log on to kde I get a error :ZMD does not seem to be runnig
Zen-installer/updater doesn't work.

onjoo · 03-31-2006, 05:05 AM

ok, the main benefit of this package manager "improvement" was to combine the all different sources to one simple program.

But then we got a new textline installer called RUG. If anyone hasn't tried it i can tell you that is works like apt/smart. BUT it DOESN'T support YAST SOURCES!!!!

rug service types:

Code:

rug st

Alias    | Name     | Description
---------+----------+--------------------------------------------
yum      | YUM      | A service type for YUM servers
zypp     | ZYPP     | A service type for ZYPP installation source
nu       | NU       | A service type for Novell Update servers
rce      | RCE      | A service type for RCE servers
zenworks | ZENworks | A service type for Novell ZENworks servers
mount    | Mount    | Mount a directory of RPMs

Yep, no yast sources can be used. Now the thing is that factory has got all the working yast source files, but YUM repodata files are missing, so RUG can't be used .

smiley_lauf · 03-31-2006, 06:29 AM

thanks onjoo (did u already install beta 9, I guess that is the advantage of being few hours ahead of the US, hehehe). I guess I can wait a little longer....

onjoo · 03-31-2006, 06:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smiley_lauf

thanks onjoo (did u already install beta 9, I guess that is the advantage of being few hours ahead of the US, hehehe). I guess I can wait a little longer....

Im using factory and it identifies itself as beta9, factory tree is still under manual rebuild, so i guess there will be couple of new packages compared to yesterday (maybe).

So I did not install the thing I just updated all the packages.

Code:

cat SuSE-release
SUSE Linux 10.1 (i586) Beta9
VERSION = 10.1

onjoo · 03-31-2006, 12:53 PM

Now when the mirrors have been synced. I updated to the newest factory.

And I have update my experiences, because, the ZEN-installer/-updater is now working.
So is YAST and rug. Small problems here adn there, but in general its working.

ONE MORE THING : I JUST INSTALLED ATIs DRIVER and it WORKS

Finally working ati card, driver and 3d-support.

peter_89 · 03-31-2006, 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by onjoo

Roadmap update:

Apr 25, 2006 is the new intended SUSE Linux 10.1 Announce Date.

Ubuntu, Fedora, Vista, and now SUSE, release date delays are popular these days...

smiley_lauf · 04-01-2006, 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by onjoo

Now when the mirrors have been synced. I updated to the newest factory.

And I have update my experiences, because, the ZEN-installer/-updater is now working.
So is YAST and rug. Small problems here adn there, but in general its working.

ONE MORE THING : I JUST INSTALLED ATIs DRIVER and it WORKS

Finally working ati card, driver and 3d-support.

hey onjoo, care to share how you did this? It has been my eternal damnation not to get the ATI going in the first shot, so it will help and other when I am ready to install the 10.1 FINAL at the end of this month...(hopefully...)

ta,
smiley

onjoo · 04-01-2006, 10:38 AM

ATI HOWTO for SUSE 10.1 32bit

1) Install kernel-source and gcc, plus dependencies with favourite package manager

2)Download ati driver
- browse to www.ati.com
- click driver&software
- click Linux Display Drivers and Software
- select right driver ( 32/64 bit and then normal radeon or notebook driver)
- about 30 mb package will be downloaded

3)open konsole and make rpm package of the installer

Code:

  ./ati-driver-installer-8.23.7-i386.run --buildpkg SuSE/SUSE101-IA32

3) Switch to root with

Code:

su

and type password

4) install rpm:

Code:

rpm -ivh fglrx_6_9_0_SUSE101-8.23.7-1.i386.rpm

5) load dri

Code:

aticonfig --initial --input=/etc/X11/xorg.conf

6) change runlevel with

Code:

init 3

7) login as root and run sax

Code:

sax2 -r -m 0=fglrx

8) restart with

Code:

shutdown -r now

After restart check if fglrx is working. fglrxinfo should output something like this

Code:

fglrxinfo
display: :0.0  screen: 0
OpenGL vendor string: ATI Technologies Inc.
OpenGL renderer string: MOBILITY RADEON 9600 Generic
OpenGL version string: 2.0.5695 (8.23.7)

RedShirt · 04-01-2006, 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by peter_89

Ubuntu, Fedora, Vista, and now SUSE, release date delays are popular these days...

Well, as the amount of packages users require shoots up and their requirements do as well, these package have more dependencies to meet the requirements. Every little change changes multiple packages. Ease of use has to improve as well, so does design, so over all this feature request and ease of install, comes working on more and more hardware with better hardware recognition. Then add in all the new things each distro is doing, SuSE's new package managers, XGL, Samba updates, and all the other things SuSE is doing to make their's better. Now realize the coding beihind all this gets more and more advanced.

With the sheer amount of things all the main distros are trying to do to improve themselves, is it any wonder development time is taking longer? Maybe the 6 month planned release cycles are getting a little unrealistic. I think perhaps if they focused on more of an upgrade as you go approach, like you can do with gentoo's portage system, instead of making enough changes you can't even upgrade from 10 to 10.1... They need to start allowing users to update larger chunks of the base systems and package managers and other things, and work on developing system's piece-meal, instead of all at once. When a new package manager is ready, push that out to users. When you make a new installer, release new CDs/DVDs. When you put out big system changes, make it available to the users as upgrades.

I notice one thing when I run gentoo, once it is installed I never need new install media unless I am going to put it on a new system. I can update everything as it is released, and never have the need to do an install from scracth on the same system again. The availabity of this kind of fully modular OS is something which would make all the big distros much better. It would make them easier to use for the long haul because no user ever feels left out of date. I think this kind of huge ambition coupled with the forced re-install of all the major updates is going to be a big downfall in coming years, and taking a look at the gentoo model may really help rpm and debian based distros please nd users more.

I love SuSE, and I have used and liked parts of Ubuntu/Kubuntu and other debians, Fedora, you name it I have probably tried it or used it. All of them lack in that simple way. And it is really too bad, because parts of them are far better. I love supporting SuSE because of all the stuff they are working on consistently, but as long as hard versions are around, it makes it harder to use over any long period of time because updating it gets worse and worse, and more complicated. Hopefully Novell and and developers of other projects will stop focusing on a strict release cycle, and focus more on a modular, fully and easily updateble OS.

A guy can dream can't he?

TigerLinux · 04-12-2006, 09:40 PM

Today we are supposed to get Suse 10.1 RC1

onjoo · 04-13-2006, 02:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TigerLinux

Today we are supposed to get Suse 10.1 RC1

Yep, its almost synced on the mirrors. Official release info will be posted later today