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Old 03-13-2014, 06:39 AM   #46
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i switched from KDE to xfce when install slack64 14.1, because xfce consume less resources ( especially ram), but very sadly, xfce compared to kde is very uncomfortable. especially it sadly, because that is mostly small things, who not made to work good -for example devices notifier and automount. in kde it is an almost ideal - automount mount devices under /media/LABEL
xfce mount under /run/UUID
The reason for this is that KDE uses the deprecated udisks1 while Xfce already uses udisks2. Once KDE gets migrated to udisks2, you will get the /run/media/user/foo mounts there, too. Just forget /media, it's declared dead.

BTW: This example shows how important it is know what's going on behind the scenes to stay in control. Otherwise you will have wild theories based on unrelated correlations...

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Old 03-13-2014, 07:37 AM   #47
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The reason for this is that KDE uses the deprecated udisks1 while Xfce already uses udisks2. Once KDE gets migrated to udisks2, you will get the /run/media/user/foo mounts there, too. Just forget /media, it's declared dead.

BTW: This example shows how important it is know what's going on behind the scenes to stay in control. Otherwise you will have wild theories based on unrelated correlations...
no, that example shows someones talent to broke good things and go all worse.
/media/LABEL = easy, comfortably, /run/proc/whatever/secret/deeper/UUID is idiotic, unhandly, and not easy. if KDE get to it ( and go unfriendly to normal users), then kde gets worse than previous, and i start mount and unmount devices by hand - non easy and non comfortable, but better than that variant. i do that now on xfce because of reason who i provided, but in KDE for now all that works automatically and very god. be a very sadly, if that thing has be broken.
and there is no connection with "wild theories and unrelated correlations" - really there is looks to be broke good things.
 
Old 03-13-2014, 07:53 AM   #48
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Yes, I think jtsn is right, KDE 4.12.3 (from Alien BOB) already mounts media on /run/media/$USER/LABEL (or UUID).

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Old 03-13-2014, 08:04 AM   #49
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/media/LABEL = easy, comfortably, /run/proc/whatever/secret/deeper/UUID is idiotic, unhandly, and not easy. if KDE get to it ( and go unfriendly to normal users), then kde gets worse than previous,
You still didn't understand that this is completely unrelated to KDE vs. Xfce. The reason for udisks 1.0.4 not using /run/media is that this version is no longer maintained, and only KDE is still using it.
 
Old 03-13-2014, 08:28 AM   #50
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You still didn't understand that this is completely unrelated to KDE vs. Xfce. The reason for udisks 1.0.4 not using /run/media is that this version is no longer maintained, and only KDE is still using it.
i understand source, but thats no changes anything. in 14.1 kde still use old way, as so, there is be easy way to location where automount work. in new way it is changed. but on my position it is not important - things in that direction goes worse, as for me. maybe anothers found easy and handy new automount point...?
 
Old 03-13-2014, 08:36 AM   #51
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Wow, I feel really old-fashioned (well, I am old and not too fashionable).

I gave up KDE two releases ago because of Nepomuk and Akonadi (which, yeah, I removed them both first thing -- before startx -- but what a pain in the butt those things were or are). Xfce seemed and still does seem the better choice but my "theme" is black, icons I use all the time down the left side, GKrellM down the right side, panel down at the bottom (I remove panel 2 and move panel 1 down). Spend a lot of time typing in a terminal window (and, apparently, here too).

I do install KDE (hey, it's a huge disk drive, who cares) and occasionally use one or two KDE applications (well, Spider solitaire when I get bored waiting for something). Don't watch movies, once in while watch something interesting on YouTube, don't listen to music, I'm pretty boring.

I like Xfce because it's simple and elegant (and quick); don't see the cores going in GKrellM, they're mostly cooking along at 0% until I make something do some work. KDE, the cores are cooking with all the nonsense that starts up (and is a PITA to shut off!). My only complaint with Xfce is that automagic window resize tiling thingy when you move one up to the top of the screen (found out how to get rid of that annoyance).

Dang, I'm out of date.
 
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Old 03-13-2014, 08:37 AM   #52
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Let me add to the confusion.

I am fortunate enough to have very few removable devices, so populating /etc/fstab is good enough for me

Oh, and I only use Fluxbox, but of course that's just a personal preference.
 
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Old 03-13-2014, 09:32 AM   #53
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The reason for this is that KDE uses the deprecated udisks1 while Xfce already uses udisks2. Once KDE gets migrated to udisks2, you will get the /run/media/user/foo mounts there, too. Just forget /media, it's declared dead.

BTW: This example shows how important it is know what's going on behind the scenes to stay in control. Otherwise you will have wild theories based on unrelated correlations...
In case it was about my theories. I talk about things that could be more or
less related technically (what would be a chance to the occasional troll to
discredit the whole sense of what I say) but they are indeed related in where
they point: to give the crowd the desktop experience they are used to (thanks
to MS).

If everybody would mount its devices by hand (it's not so difficult) udisks
/media and all that freedesktop.org complications that change all the time
"confusing people" obfuscating what's going on behind the scenes
wouldn't exist. There is the relation.

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Old 03-13-2014, 10:10 AM   #54
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I like Xfce because it's simple and elegant (and quick); don't see the cores going in GKrellM, they're mostly cooking along at 0% until I make something do some work.
Yes. I love XFCE on Slackware and the BSDs. I have older dual core boxes and they function very well under XFCE. I gave up on KDE when KDE 3.5x was phased out of Slackware. I may give KDE a try again when I have newer hardware. XFCE does the job for me.
 
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Old 03-13-2014, 10:35 AM   #55
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*chuckles* maybe xfce is an age-thingy?
I have used it - to the exclusion of absolutely everything else for the past 5-6 yrs.
And yes, I redo my panel completely - make it look more like linuxmint - one bottom panel - full stop. (never could bother with that top-panel-stuff that gnome started). And - I turn off automount as the very first thing - ever. Always mount by hand - as it was meant to be ....

But then - I'm getting old ...
 
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Old 03-13-2014, 11:58 AM   #56
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I'll be 69 in a couple of months. Should I be using XFCE?
Plz help! Urgent!!!!!!
 
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Old 03-13-2014, 12:11 PM   #57
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If everybody would mount its devices by hand (it's not so difficult) udisks
/media and all that freedesktop.org complications that change all the time
"confusing people" obfuscating what's going on behind the scenes
wouldn't exist. There is the relation.
It's nothing unusual to see Windows users discussing and trying weird voodoo rituals (like "registry cleaning") for solving issues or otherwise change the behavior of their machines. And it is sad to see this habit creeping in into the Linux community.

This is of course the fault of the inventors of that opaque "desktop bus", hald, udisks, udev, consolekit, policykit mess. You don't have to go back to the 80s and mount stuff manually to have a simple and transparent design. (For example, I use autofs for NFS and some removable mounts and configuring it to make it exactly do, what I want, is a piece of cake, compared to udev or udisks2. But no GUI file manager knows anything about autofs, so it is not well integrated.)

It is not only important to understand what's going on behind the scenes, it's also important to have an system like Slackware, where you are able to understand, what's going on, so you don't have to revert to voodoo practices...
 
Old 03-13-2014, 12:22 PM   #58
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I'll be 69 in a couple of months. Should I be using XFCE?
Plz help! Urgent!!!!!!
I"m gonna be 70 in a couple of weeks or so (I forget) -- yeah: what have you got to lose, eh? You might even like it.
 
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Old 03-13-2014, 12:32 PM   #59
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And yes, I redo my panel completely - make it look more like linuxmint - one bottom panel - full stop. (never could bother with that top-panel-stuff that gnome started). And - I turn off automount as the very first thing - ever. Always mount by hand - as it was meant to be ....
I still use actual 'automount' (man 8 automount) and not this new-fangled stuff that you young'uns insist on calling "automount" even when it ain't!
Go get your own word and stop stealing ours!

Oh, and get off my lawn!

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Old 03-13-2014, 12:48 PM   #60
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I'll be 69 in a couple of months. Should I be using XFCE?
Plz help! Urgent!!!!!!
Yea, you play some Statler and Waldorf role in this Muppets forum.
 
  


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