This one cracks me up because I agree with both. I hate HPs hardware because I never seem to get it to work right (i.e. the printers), but on the other hand HP does alot more for Linux than most companies do, so I love them for that. I guess their calcualtors are ok too ;-)

Texas Instruments TI-83 Silver Edition is what rocks the calculator world :P

I prefer my TI-89 personally, but almost all of my professors use HPs... must of been really popular in the 70s and 80s.

Hah! The difference is...Linux is usable, even if "It's in beta forever".

as for vista delayed release. i am glad. it will give the price of the hardware needed to run that bloated os a chance to come down in price. also with the fact that you HAVE to buy new hwardware to run Vista properly i doubt many business will switch any time soon.

1. buy new OS for typical $150 or so
2. buy new hardware to run that new OS for roughly $1000

so in order for companies to upgrade they will spend roughly $1150 per computer to upgrade to Vista, i think not for a long time to come.

As for personally switching over to vista, not any time soon as long as i can use Cedega to play my games and have access to OSx and Linux WTF do i need MS for?

on the HP issue, their single printer units are OK, their drivers for windows and OSx are bloated piles of steaming poo, but they do produce good quality.

i just bought a nice new Samsung lazer printer for my office. why? simple on the packaging it lists the following for compatable OSs:

Windows, OSx, Linux

right there on the box, on the store front display tag (you know thost little cards with the item details on it) Linux. first itme i have seen in a regular consumer product store (look at both CompUSA and Bestbuy. got it at bestbuy for $200 less then compusa) advertising to work with Linux.

the driver install was litteraly less then 10sec. took longer to put the CD in the drive and mount it (OSx) then it did to install the drivers.

so not only did it work right off the bat, but the drivers are extreemly light and easy on the system. prints great btw.

Some screeshots of latest Vista Beta:
http://www.flexbeta.net/main/comment...shownews=18760

I heard vista is using Directx 10.0, it requires 4GB memory for Games. True ?

Yes Vista will be using DirectX 10, no this is not a good thing for graphics hardware as it will stop the newest games using the newest graphics technologies. 4GB RAM, I doubt it, people are running the beta on 512MB...

Since I develop software for platforms including Windows, I will at one point be forced to switch from XP to Vista at work. Well, it's not my money.

I do have an XP computer at home, but it only gets fired up when I work from home and need XP for the work I need to do. Ninety-nine percent of the time, the only computers I use are Linux boxes.

It's not good for hardware cards but its very good for Hardware Cards vendors. I'm sure they are very happy that the new Window will be a cpu hog and will be cooperative to give info/develop drivers for their hardware.

I like it when they release a new Winders, it makes anything less than a brand-new machine 'obsolete' to MS users, and I can build a Linux server farm for peanuts.

thats not all - MS plans to release 6 versions of Vista -

Check out this link

http://www.informationweek.com/news/...leID=181400097

[Excerpt]

- Windows Vista Business includes similar features to today's Windows XP Professional edition, including backup, networking, and group policy support. It includes Microsoft's new Aero user interface, a new search engine, and small-business features such as fax and scanning software and easier-to-understand help menus.

- Windows Vista Enterprise, available to Microsoft's largest corporate customers, adds new BitLocker hard-drive encryption, a virtual PC program for running software written for other platforms, and a new subsystem for running Unix apps.

- Windows Vista Home Premium is designed for the majority of home PC users and includes the ability to show photos on a large-screen TV, play music on a home stereo, write and copy DVDs, and edit high-definition video. It also includes the ability to sync files between two computers.

- Windows Vista Ultimate combines all the features of the Vista Business and Home Premium editions--it's designed for corporate employees who often work on company projects from home.

- Windows Vista Home Basic is aimed at users who mainly read and send E-mail and surf the Web. It doesn't include the Tablet PC, Media Center, photography, or music software in Vista Home Premium.

- Windows Vista Starter will retail only in emerging markets such as India, Russia, Mexico, Brazil, Thailand, and Indonesia. It won't be available in the United States or Europe, and it runs only in 32-bit mode


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subsystem to run unix apps ????

This is the reason its getting delayed

You can upgrade BIOS, but you probably need Windows

I won't install Windows Vista not even to play some PC games, which is the reason I still have Windows XP on my machine -- videogaming

you guys should check this article on The Inquirer: Vista gamers need 2GB plus of memory

who thinks Beta versions won't change too much from the sale-release? I do

It seems to me that Microsoft are once again going into the business of putting others out of business. Problem is that they get there one step behind everyone else. Their new firewall should have been their old one etc etc. All of these little security features or, lets call them what they are, applications funnily enough are already available from more expert organisations. I think I'd prefer to stick with an organisation that is in the business of developing firewalls or spyware removal tools or Web browsers rather than one that overstretches its resources trying to change the term Personal Computer to Microsoft Computer. I suspect Microsoft's new firewall will be where Zonealarm was 5 years ago.

I'm not saying I won't get Vista, I probably will but not if I once again lose those games I love so much and can't run on XP. Yes you guessed it, I'm another one who keeps a windows box for gaming. The day that linux offers the complete gaming solution is the day I have two linux boxes instead of one, but we all know that is some way off if developers keep ignoring us.