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Old 02-20-2006, 01:47 PM   #16
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R E L A T E D C O N T E N T Similar articles * Upcoming Windows christened Vis


Microsoft could be teaching police to hack Vista

http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/21...ng-police-hack
 
Old 02-20-2006, 01:54 PM   #17
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Thats is sooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOO stupid , wth is the point of the encryption THEN???? ANY IDEAS lol :P
 
Old 02-20-2006, 11:49 PM   #18
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like all m$ "security" in windows, its only there so you think it protects you, but does it ever really do its job for more then 1 month?

actually, its not suprising they have backdoors, as the amount of "holes" in windows almost seems like they add new ones with every patch, and almost on purpose. In any case, it would explain why they walked scot free after being convicted of anti-trust issues (what happened? A fine? at least there stocks never really recovered, which is all that really happened)
 
Old 02-21-2006, 01:31 AM   #19
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Why Windows Vista has not been released yet?

A couple of reasons come to mind


1)Microsoft is waiting until the hardware that is required to run it (close to reliable) is somewhere near the affordable range.
2)Bleed every last cent out of XP they can.
3)Milk the suspense. (Might I put emphasis on milk?)
4)Coincide the release with Microsoft Office 2007
5)need more time to give hardware manufucturers a good smacking or two("give me drivers or you'll die!")
6)waiting on a few more "killer apps" to make Vista look more attractive. It really does need them.
Halo 2 for instance. Which strangely enough requires Vista, even though the console version ran just fine on a PIII with a stripped down windows 2000 kernel.
7)Fashionably late entrance. The pimp arrives on pimp time. You microwhores just betta wait.
8)A couple of buttons don't quite have that right gloss effect yet
9)Waiting to release it right behind a new and vastly improved Linux Distro or Mac OS release to make Vista look more "cutting edge"
10)Waiting for Steve Jobs to develop autism.
11)Waiting for Bill Gates birthdate, when the stars will be aligned correctly for unholy and dark rituals to take place.
12)Still pondering whether or not add the XP("Xtra Pretty") trademark after it.
13)Satin's final permission and go ahead.

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Old 02-21-2006, 01:16 PM   #20
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I agree woah theyt do wanna milk windows xp , so we can say then microsoft is like a farm :P w00t?!
 
Old 02-21-2006, 04:10 PM   #21
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I see testing times for Linux ahead.

Reason : Since Microsoft is rewriting Vista/Windows Code - It might refer Kernel and other sources like reiserfs others and while testing - It may find bugs/flaws/Security loopholes which it may use to its advantage and bring bad name to open source community.

MS might use TC/Paladium to purge linux in coming days.

It has a positive side to it as well - When Microsoft just does that - I beleive Open Source Community will be able to respond well since source code is open to all. And this again may turn battle in favour of tux. Again adding new vista features + retaining old features and still be able OLD computers - P4s but not 64 one's.

I am looking eagerly for Vista release and subsquently a comaprision war between tux and MS
 
Old 02-23-2006, 09:01 AM   #22
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Vista 5308 was out for enterprise.
 
Old 02-23-2006, 02:58 PM   #23
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No, you will need new hardware only if you dont have a 1.5ghz pent or equiv, 512mb of ram and a halfway decent 3d video card like a fx5500. (Which is like half the computers in the world )
 
Old 02-23-2006, 03:47 PM   #24
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I know all these jokes about MS and Vista are funny and all, but I think peoples will eventually migrate to Vista. I remember a few years back when everybody was complaining that Windows XP was crap and that they should stick with Win98, especially gamers. Today, if somebody is running Windows, most likely it is Windows XP. Even I was happy with Win2k, but migrated to XP eventually and it's a quite fine OS.

I am also sure Vista will be good. Or at least better then their previous Operating System. Since they've moved to NT-based systems, their operating system are not bad at all, in my honest opinion.

And with all sincerity. I highly doubt that Vista will be as bloated as KDE and Gnome will be when Vista is released. They are very heavy and bloated already today (I use fluxbox).

I just want to dig up this thread again in a few years and see if the same will happen with Vista, what happened with XP, becoming MS most popular and used Operating System.

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Old 02-23-2006, 04:22 PM   #25
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I am also sure Vista will be good. Or at least better then their previous Operating System. Since they've moved to NT-based systems, their operating system are not bad at all, in my honest opinion.
Not to get off topic here, but I do agree that XP is a good OS when its properly secured. Meaning, day to day use with a limited account only, a decent firewall and virus/spyware protection.

If I need to run something as admin its easy enough to right-click > run as > admin + password.

Thats at work though. At home nothing will get me away from my Ubuntu desktop except the odd game of Age of Empires II
 
Old 02-23-2006, 07:52 PM   #26
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I have used Vista/Longhorn Beta Editions - Its Windows XP + some lift offs from KDE and Gnome. (Windows has been usually patchy Software - I was amazed to see a Windows ME - Microsoft releasing Windows 98 with just a face lift - that was truly astounding apart from adding a minor utilities.)

Recently yahoo has launched Yahoo Widgets (Its about two months now - dunno exact release date). New Windows has similar features/applets/widgets. Will yahoo and ms collaborate on widgets.

I beleive Now is the time when Linux will be noticed. Because MS is gonna to counter Apache/reserfs and other major softwares on Linux Base with added features. But again I doubt MS is gonna to play dirty here - the way it did when they launced windows xp - the java scenario. You need to install java manually. Like you may not be able to run apache full throttle. what about PHP - I am waiting. What if you could use PHP style coding in ASP pages- say native coding with a exceptionally well done IDE.

It will be worth watching because its gonna to draw new battleline on new battle fronts.
Again Yahoo and MS - Messenger alliance is there is gonna to go AOL way - Ms is good at isolating Market players before it makes them go banana.

And what is gonna to be real interesting when it comes to yahoo and ms - is their web email interfaces. Its gonna to quiet ascene. Will yahoo and Ms compete after all or they are simply setting base for future merger. yahoo - I kinda feel - they are going the hotmail way - They probably DO want to merge yahoo with MS. To MS it does makes business sense to flaunt their .net framework and other technologies on existing yahoo base .
And this base can later showcased for their successful implementation of MS Technologies - primarily Vista and .net . Since Java is then gonna be out of Yahoo (Games /chat etc)

Yahoo has already been playing sissy with China. I doubt - If there is some merger on cards in near/distant future.

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Old 02-23-2006, 09:01 PM   #27
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And with all sincerity. I highly doubt that Vista will be as bloated as KDE and Gnome will be when Vista is released. They are very heavy and bloated already today (I use fluxbox).
I see what you mean, but must take issue with this statement. I believe that when people say that KDE and Gnome are bloated, they are measuring "bloat" relative to Windows XP. Remember, the XP GUI (codenamed "Luna") was developed in 1999-2000. I'd expect that in six years, more advanced features would be developed -- which is what KDE and Gnome bring. I'd also expect that if I used a version of KDE or Gnome from 1999 or 2000 that it would perform much faster than a modern version of KDE or Gnome. Advancement almost always means that more computing power is needed. With all of the advancement that I'm sure Vista is going to bring with it's GUI, it will require more computing power. Not because it's buggy, and not because it's necesserily bloated, but because it is newer. When you compare the speed of KDE or Gnome to the speed of XP's GUI, you must be fair. Compare it to the newer version of Windows: Vista. It's the only version of Windows that comes close to the advancement and development of Linux's GUIs. In other words, you wouldn't measure how fast a sixty year-old would run next to a young athletic teenager and say "that sixty year-old is not as healthy as the teenager because he runs slower;" you would compare the sixty year-old to another sixty year-old and the teenager to another teenager because it would be unfair to the sixty year-old to make such a judgement when really they are just as healthy, just on a different level. You're really comparing apples to oranges. Think about that.

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Old 02-23-2006, 09:08 PM   #28
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Quote:
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And with all sincerity. I highly doubt that Vista will be as bloated as KDE and Gnome will be when Vista is released.
They say we'd need some pretty new machines to run on it. That's not good news

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They are very heavy and bloated already today (I use fluxbox).
I've never had a problem with neither KDE nor Gnome. I don't know the distribution you're using. Is it compiled for 586 or 686 ? Try recompiling to see some significant performance boost. You can tweak almost everything in KDE.

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Not to get off topic here, but I do agree that XP is a good OS when its properly secured. Meaning, day to day use with a limited account only, a decent firewall and virus/spyware protection.
There's no better firewall for desktops than iptables. You don't need to notice it. I hate antivirus software, any use you have of any file is catched by it just to check it isn't infected. Microsoft would like you to pay for (their) antivirus software too so we can't expect some new real features. Microsoft should decide between governments and ordinary citizens. For truly sensitive computing, Windows is a joke.
 
Old 02-23-2006, 09:24 PM   #29
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For truly sensitive computing, Windows is a joke.
Thats not true!!! Windows is the best at sensitive computing? See? *touches a Windows computer*

>A problem has been detected and Windows will shut down to prevent damage to your computer.<

As you can see, Windows has no rival at sensitive computing!
 
Old 02-23-2006, 11:00 PM   #30
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I always wondered who benefits the most from making viruses in computers, but here's something to think about (and the best conclusion that I can think of).

It's interesting to note how companies like Norton and McAfee have slowly surfaced. Yes, viruses appeared, and then these antivirus programs came along. A new virus may be found later, but within a day or two the antivirus software companies will find a fix.

Now, antivirus programs are starting to use licensing. Purchase a copy of Norton, and you purchase 1 license. If you want to run the software on another computer, then you must by another copy by law. The license, interestingly, is only good for 1 year.

Sound similar to something we know? Aside from the time limit, this is Windows licensing schemes at work. The same people who have vulnerabilities and such in their software that allow viruses in. Hmm...so that means we would need an antivirus program.

Is it really a bored hacker that creates these viruses, or is it perhaps someone working for Norton and/or windows? Think about it. The only ones who can find out quickly what the new virus is and a fix must be the ones who have something to do with it in some way. There aren't many other operating systems that have the virus problems that windows has because that's not where the money is. AVG is free for Linux, but why get it? Most Linux viruses are extinct. Add to the fact that there isn't many people using Linux, and there's no reason to even make a virus for Linux.

So if I'm guessing correctly, in order for antispyware, antiadware, and antivirus companies to stay in business, Microsoft must keep something vulnerable in their operating system, or simply create a patch that can only be fixed if an antivirus program is installed. Norton and McAfee may have some sort of business deals with Microsoft. Why would Gates want to put his business partners out of business?

In conclusion, expect Vista to have viruses at some point in its lifetime.
 
  


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