The Faith & Religion mega Thread

Originally Posted by enorbet {...}Will Evolution ever be refined? OF COURSE! but it will never be disproved...ever, just like Newton's Laws of Gravity. It appears Newton's entire concept of what Gravity must be is absolutely wrong but that has nothing to do with how it operates within the confines of non-relativistic concerns.{...}

But you are missing point of Creation. Just because (spiritual) evolution exist, and it does, does not cancel Creation because evolution does not know who put it in motion! Creation cannot disproove Creator(s) as long as such creation exist. I don't understand why technical minded linux people who know way more about technology than me cannot grasp this simple truth from school of life. Our limited brains cannot understand true nature of reality. If Creation happened and it could happen the Creator is superior to creation. Therefore while we may operate with 5 senses there could me more than meets eye. It is clearly mentioned that evolution is about material world but material world is not only world that can exist and if Deity exist it could create material world we live in with or without Aliens.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulation_hypothesis
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/life...ticle20174600/
Watch TV show Humans about biorobots. It makes perfect sense to apply to humans. If we will make biorobotics that appear as human we would also make them limited.

For once he has a point. Both the fundamentalists who oppose evolution to creation and some of the scientists who try to refute them make the same mistake. The religious doctrine of creation (when used correctly) is asking the question, "Where does the universe come from?". It's like asking, "Who wrote Hamlet?". Evolutionary theory (and science in general) is concerned with events within the existing universe. The questions scientists answer are akin to the question, "Who killed Hamlet's father?".

Would it be sensible to ask, "Did Claudius kill Hamlet Snr. or did Shakespeare?" Most people would consider that a foolish question. But in so far as it was worth answering, the answer would have to be, "Both of them -- at different levels of reality."

The late Steven J Gould used to talk about "non-overlapping magisteria" and it's a concept that many scientifically inclined Christians would support.

I am not oposing Evolution theory. But evolution itself cannot disproove creation stories. Only truth and scientific discoveries will..just because Big Bang maybe was prooved did not proove who did it and why.

I already wrote: please visit any touchable ancient structures visible in Ancient Alien TV series with your own eyes and Coral Castle in Florida and then tell me it is not suspicious. Heck none of people here can say anthing about theory about electricity and magnets that signature link also provide. Yet alone against real purpose of those structures.

In order to claim something first need to become real expert(this is about weapons but same formula apply for any profession) in given sphere. Who here has PhD in religion?

Originally Posted by jens You're completely missing the point. Mathematics are only but also always correct *within* mathematics(neither does it claim otherwise).

Until it comes to the unknown at which point it either makes up reality, or not... ie just another fairytale. Example, time travel!

It's so utterly obvious that you don't need to plant a garden, unless you want to control it! We are the creators; otherwise explain to us why there's so many religions,,, YOU CAN NOT‽‽‽

Originally Posted by jamison20000e Until it comes to the unknown at which point it either makes up reality, or not... ie just another fairytale. Example, time travel!

No.

That would result in undefined. And yes, that's perfectly OK (example: any division by zero).

Originally Posted by jamison20000e It's so utterly obvious that you don't need to plant a garden, unless you want to control it! We are the creators; otherwise explain to us why there's so many religions,,, YOU CAN NOT‽‽‽

I can agree about garden because why put Adam and Eve in garden unless suppose to keep them ignorant about reality but my POV still stands: Give nowaday people choice to commit serious(from 10 commandments) sin or not to get to or from Garden of Eden then we will see if next Jesus is needed. But the problem is this choice is not really choice..but ultimatium. I disagree about second half of quote..already explained : Creator made us in HIS|HER|IT(none specified gender|sex if any) image to make us into Co-Creators! Watch that russian video i linked before..

But first 3 commandments and holy book verses about multiple gods are suggesting there can be multiple cause when Adam and Eve were kicked out of Garden they were kicked because "they became one of those gods"..after eating from Tree of Knowledge they almost ate Tree of Life.

Originally Posted by jamison20000e Until it comes to the unknown at which point it either makes up reality, or not... ie just another fairytale. Example, time travel!

Please give an example of Mathematics resorting to fairy tales and "making up" anything. Mathematics is the ultimate logic and as in all cases of logic, "garbage in = garbage out". That is not deception nor fanciful musings. It's as real as anything gets and says nothing to dispute the purity of Math... just it's application..

Time Travel? It exists... it's just a one way street as far as anyone can tell. Effects always follow Causes, not the reverse.

Don't get me wrong math is better than religion but it sure does sell b00ks... and many useless "1s" at that.

And Arcane: as long as you and they cling to these children's stories for adults and unprovables you'll be teaching the kids to "sin," another human construct!

You could teach the world that your commandments aren't needed because everyone would be raised right and good! But, evil gets evil... and evolution is way slow, especially with sticks being thrown in the spokes!

Originally Posted by jamison20000e Don't get me wrong math is better than religion but it sure does sell b00ks... and many useless "1s" at that. And Arcane: as long as you and they cling to these children's stories for adults and unprovables you'll be teaching the kids to "sin," another human construct!

Speaking of "clinging" I have to say, Jamison, I am disappointed. I thought you possessed a greater integrity than to casually dodge and shrug off, and toss a parting feeble dig just to keep your prejudice intact and I'm saddened to find I was mistaken. <sigh>

this is what organized religion reminds me of

Originally Posted by enorbet Speaking of "clinging" I have to say, Jamison, I am disappointed. I thought you possessed a greater integrity than to casually dodge and shrug off, and toss a parting feeble dig just to keep your prejudice intact and I'm saddened to find I was mistaken. <sigh>

I gave you a good example already: time travel, wormholes, pools in time... throwing a rock out the window at the speed of light would be no different than throwing a rock out the window of a train. Time is only relevant to make believe (and sadly, currently a whole lot of evil in politics and religions) plus of course yes moving forward...

I'll get back to it when I have more "time," maybe on break...

Originally Posted by jamison20000e {...}And Arcane: as long as you and they cling to these children's stories for adults and unprovables you'll be teaching the kids to "sin," another human construct!

LOL? I am not clinging and teaching anything. Because i don't know yet everything i need to know about this issue. But in our country aswell there are preachers and buildings that say "Jesus Christ is the answer to world|planet!"(maybe it is maybe it isn't, i am not sure). I am truth seeker. But it is so easy to get confused and lost in ocean of information. I am just operating with all ideas. Be it existance of deities or not.

Since i agree that holy books could be written by humans or changed by humans therefore containing error in interpretation i simply believe in higher power(s) Deity without attaching it to Bible or Quran or Torah version of God|Devil specificly. Because something does not float boat when it comes to evolution theory without creation and|or aliens. This quote works for doubting evolution aswell:

2) We should not measure whether something is true by whether it suits us Generally it suits us to believe something that is popular to believe. Said another way, we tend to believe what we prefer to believe. Historically, in the Western parts of the world many people believed in Christianity because it was popular to do so. Now, its popularity has dropped in these areas. So should Christianity be rejected now? We should not judge something by whether it is popular, but by whether it is true. Rather than evaluating a truth claim by whether it suits us or not, we should explore the source of religious claims. Most religions have begun when someone had a ‘revelation’ about who God is and what he wants from us. Typically, they (or their followers) then wrote their revelation down. Over time their belief system gained more followers and momentum. For example, in France a cult of over 10,000 people follow a man who claims to have encountered God while jogging. His revelation? ‘God is an alien.’ Perhaps in a thousand years time this will grow to be the world’s largest religion! We should be discerning in the face of the explosion of religions. We should ask questions such as, “Is it true? Is there a chance that the founder(s) were deceived? Does the founder’s life back up the revelation?” Although Christianity is currently the world’s biggest religion, it started with just twelve people. It is no more true now than it was then. The best way to evaluate Christianity is by evaluating its source: Jesus Christ. article

Since people here like books
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/...not-from-earth

BTW: Even atheists start to question their scientology when tragedy strikes.
https://hopeforahopelessgeneration.c...is-the-answer/
How come?