The Faith & Religion mega Thread

Thank "god" I know to youtube-dl and speed up your video links in VLC Arcane or they'd be too boring... we are all simulated "human beings" and wouldn't know how to be one (fake "gods," "after life's"( scaredy-cat "coping methods," scams, sh!t) and all) without our environments crawling with them.

If a brain is not an evolving hard-drive, how'd we make hard-drives*‽

Praise be to evolution(.edu no religions aloud there(! )), fear not the eternal nothingne$$ of death but live! :hatdrop:

We make:

sounds like you're the creator‽

@ Arcane - It really isn't accurate to refer to that video as "unbiased" when it is presented as if it is The Truth of Existence, when in fact it can only be speculation (zero evidence) and to no small degree Science Fiction imagination.

If a brain is not an evolving hard-drive, how'd we make hard-drives*‽

By the brain .....

You could try and pin the advent of a hard drive on a few but demand also demands and oodles of time (unimaginable even...) so how did we get so many religions, philosophies, technologies?
—— We.

There can not be a creator if we come infinitely as creators, creating creators... my creator wipes out your creator plus vise versa; unless we're talking parents* or if warrior\hit moms & dads in an all dies standoff‽

Truly unBIASed people will get this quote:

A little knowledge of science makes you an atheist; in-depth knowledge of science makes you believe in God

NOTE: God or Creator does not have to be perfect and still be able to create humans - we are also not perfect. At least not by default. Afterall we live in info age - the more we ask questions the more we get answers..and they are very interesting. People who disagree are either liars or closed-mind and live in eco-chamber comfort-zone.

You* create just like they* did zuze, https://www.britannica.com/topic-bro...gs-and-Deities &c!!!

...get over_ourselves!

Don't pray to gold. In a house of gold? Skip the new-new testaments, testify to reality!

Originally Posted by Arcane Truly unBIASed people will get this quote:

A little knowledge of science makes you an atheist; in-depth knowledge of science makes you believe in God

Originally Posted by Arcane NOTE: God or Creator does not have to be perfect and still be able to create humans - we are also not perfect. At least not by default. Afterall we live in info age - the more we ask questions the more we get answers..and they are very interesting. People who disagree are either liars or closed-mind and live in eco-chamber comfort-zone.

!!! FACEPALM !!! Where did you get such an absurd quote? Look, it's simple. Science requires evidence. As of yet and possibly forever, there can be no evidence of anything outside our Universe. Since any creator of the Universe must by any definition that can make any sense to a human be outside the universe, there can be no evidence for a creator. None! So please explain why you imagine that quote has any meaning beyond some Believer wishing to lend scientific credulity to Faith? It's worse than bullshit since it is an actual lie, and if the author knew anything whatsoever about real Science it is a KNOWING lie. Absolutely pathetic and despicable.

I'm not saying a scientist cannot have Faith, some apparently do, but they recognize it is exactly that - Faith, and absolutely outside the realm of Science.

I doubt that makes any sense to you as, after all, your chosen name here is Arcane so you apparently revel in the obscure and mysterious and imagine you are one of the enlightened few "on the inside track". Unlike sanctimonious, intractable Believers, real scientists are humble because Science coined a more "down to earth" quote

Originally Posted by scientific cliche The more you know, the more you know how much you don't know

Originally Posted by enorbet Originally Posted by Arcane Originally Posted by enorbet ... "down to earth" quote Originally Posted by scientific cliche The more you know, the more you know how much you don't know

...an example being if you refuse to or know there's other "gods" than your own: https://youtu.be/LFrdqQZ8FFc whoops put that hat back on!

Originally Posted by enorbet Where did you get such an absurd quote?

From a quick web search, it seems to be an adaption of

“The first gulp from the glass of natural sciences will turn you into an atheist, but at the bottom of the glass God is waiting for you.” ― Werner Heisenberg

https://www.goodreads.com/author/quo...ner_Heisenberg

or possibly

First, the quote is 400 years old. Second, it’s mistranslated, because the word “science” was not used then. Here is the original (from: Spedding, Ellis and Heath in Complete Works of Francis Bacon. I had rather believe all the Fables in the Legend, and the Talmud, and the Alcoran, than that this universal Frame, is without a Minde. And therefore, God never wrought Miracle, to convince Atheisme, because his Ordinary Works Convince it. It is true, that a little Philosophy inclineth Man’s Minde to Atheisme; But depth in Philosophy, bringeth Mens Mindes about to Religion. The original is in De Augmentis Scientiarum in Latin in 1623.

https://www.quora.com/How-true-is-th...%80%9D?share=1

Somebody's http://www.sc.edu/beaufort/library/p...es/bones.shtml

Major "Thank You" ntubski. That's very interesting. I think I fully understand the second and much older reference from 400 years ago. It seems clear, precise, and of the time, and most importantly recognizes his own speculation for what it is and is surprisingly free from demonizing for that time.

The quote from Heisenberg is even more fascinating as well as puzzling since it seems I have spent many hours learning of his work but barely an hour about the man. Now I am motivated to read about Werner and to find the context of that quote, but I do note that he did specify "the natural sciences" a phrase describing Philosophy, not Science, two entirely different realms that share a common border.

Originally Posted by enorbet ...specify "the natural sciences" a phrase describing Philosophy, not Science, two entirely different realms that share a common border.

think you gor that one backwards... ie: "natural" science == e.g., physics, chemistry, geology, and biology.

• the branch of knowledge that deals with the study of the physical world.

I am also in agreement that "religious faith" and "science" should not be commingled, a la "Creation Science." To me, the very idea of it is so-sort of insulting to both the scientific method and your friendly neighborhood Deity. It's simply an "impedance mismatch" that does not belong; does not make sense from either one of the contexts which it tries to "unequally yoke together."

"The scientific method" is supposed to be based on observation and on quantifiable measure. Of course there's a lot of "faith" to it, as there must be in any sort of human thought-discipline, but it isn't "pure faith" (except possibly in the realm of quantum physics and so-on).

"Religious faith," on the other hand, has no need of science. "<<Deity>> said it, I believe it, and that settles it.™" Religion goes beyond what the scientific method does, and embraces questions that science cannot and is not designed to answer. But, otherwise, I think that these two modes of human thought are "disjoint sets." Even when they are examining and/or contemplating the very same things, I think that they do so in ways that should not be made to intersect. To me, each of them (along with [scientific] philosophy), is equally valid, legitimate, and powerful. But, they are and should be distinct. If you start to mash-up them together, I think that you in so doing make a mockery of them.

If you believe in Creation, you don't need Creation Science to "prove" it. After all, the premise of the Christian version of Creation is that God spoke the world into existence by command, on His supernatural power and authority alone. And so, your God was never under any obligation to create a bread-crumb trail for you. He never had to show your "science" how the trick was done, and I kinda sorta think that it's cheeky to think that He would.

If you believe in Creation, and wish to use science to try to understand whatever part of the trick that you can, that's legitimate too. But, remember what God said to Job. Also, if you start by presupposing that your belief is Truth, and then search for "evidence" in the natural world with which to "prove" it, you've introduced a fatal bias into your now non-scientific "scientific" search. If you then go so far as to discredit other scientists who are applying the same methods and arriving either at "uncertainty" or "differing interpretations," you've wandered completely out of the realm of "science" while holding on to its trappings for decoration. (And, as I said, "remember what God said to Job, and remember what Job replied!" You were not "there when the Foundations of the World were laid!" Get over it.™)