Because Shiny Things Are Fun - The New New Windows v Linux Thread

yes i don't like when they misspell windows like Windoes or something like that just that ... they just .. i don't know what they want to prove to the world with that... perhaps they think they're cooler.

Originally Posted by TobiSGD It is called WinPE, and it is not illegal, you can even make it yourself.

Did not know that!!! Guess I've never really looked it up to begin with cause like I said it would be a waste. xD

Licensing a product isn't bad, but Microsoft took it wayyy too far. Did any of you read the original EULA for the release of Vista? They said that they would be using your computer for background testing of the newest .net (3.0 at the time). You could turn this off, however you had to go OUT OF YOUR WAY to do this. I disagree with that. I haven't read the Windows 7 EULA for any snags because I haven't had time recently, but there's probably something in there that doesn't belong. :/ But then again, all companies do this. The Sony EULA for using the PS3 says stuff about how they can completely brick your console if they feel you are abusing your powers with it (even though the PS3 is now completely cracked open :P ). It just goes to show you that these companies think they can do whatever they want and get away with it. It's time for us elite few to take a stand and hack EVERYTHING we see so we can install Linux on it.

Originally Posted by soppy The Sony EULA for using the PS3 says stuff about how they can completely brick your console if they feel you are abusing your powers with it (even though the PS3 is now completely cracked open :P ). It just goes to show you that these companies think they can do whatever they want and get away with it. It's time for us elite few to take a stand and hack EVERYTHING we see so we can install Linux on it.

You bought it, you own it, you should have the right to use it for anything you want. How does it hurt Sony if you wrote your own game or want to use Linux, anyway?

It doesn't hurt Sony if you use it for homebrew software or Linux. They are afraid of people that hack into their marketplace or install software for cheating in games on it. And it would be also a damage for them if one could read out the keys of their Bluray-players software.

Originally Posted by TobiSGD It doesn't hurt Sony if you use it for homebrew software or Linux. They are afraid of people that hack into their marketplace or install software for cheating in games on it. And it would be also a damage for them if one could read out the keys of their Bluray-players software.

It does hurt them directly because unfortunately there will always be people who pirate their games. Since the system is completely opened now (PS3 game encryption keys have been found thus Sony is screwed regardless), people already have made a custom firmware that allows backups to be played. And I think it's funny that once Sony removed the OtherOS function (for those that didn't follow it allowed Linux to be run on PS3), that all the hackers started hacking at the PS3. Don't anger us and say we can't use Linux.

Originally Posted by soppy . It's time for us elite few to take a stand and hack EVERYTHING we see so we can install Linux on it.

you go boy!

that's the attitude I want! keep telling us new things about the EULA! especially windows 7.. LOL whatsup "we will be testing .net framewroks on your pc "

i'm SO sorry i used vista for such a LONG time (like 2 years or so)(but it didn't give me blue screens nor did it need a reinstall *i'm a lucky ass*) ahah

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Originally Posted by soppy people already have made a custom firmware that allows backups to be played.

And with this custom firmware you are not allowed to play online, so what use has this. Most people today are playing online.

Originally Posted by TobiSGD And with this custom firmware you are not allowed to play online, so what use has this. Most people today are playing online.

Yes you can. It runs on the latest firmware and Sony has no way to detect it. Regardless, this is not the place to discuss it.

And that's the spirit silvyus_06!!

Originally Posted by soppy Yes you can. It runs on the latest firmware and Sony has no way to detect it. Regardless, this is not the place to discuss it. And that's the spirit silvyus_06!!

Do you really think Sony has no way to detect an altered firmware? Dream along.

Originally Posted by TobiSGD Do you really think Sony has no way to detect an altered firmware? Dream along.

It's definitely true. Sony had to make different iterations of the PSP in order to prevent custom firmware from being used,

Originally Posted by TobiSGD Do you really think Sony has no way to detect an altered firmware? Dream along.

They can if they have access to the PS3 flash itself, which would require a firmware update to implement which hackers would be able to resolve. So no, they don't have ways to catch it right now. All games are being reported as "legit" as are the PS3's because it's reporting the firmware version and an md5 that is marked as correct because the PS3 doesn't know it's been tampered with. The only way Sony can get rid of the PS3 hackers would be to completely re-do the encryption which would leave all other games before the new encryption unplayable. Sony is screwed, they lost, end of story.

long live linux + hackers + hacked windows + hacked games.. we already live in the paradise :P

Originally Posted by soppy Yes you can. It runs on the latest firmware and Sony has no way to detect it. Regardless, this is not the place to discuss it.

However, if you do discuss/mention it, please mention the risks as well.
Waninkoko’s custom firmware will brick your PS3 if it's using 256MB NAND firmware.

What does Windows v. Linux have to do with the PS3? Nothing! Please stay on topic, which is exactly what soppy is trying to say.

And to stay on topic: Any kind of vendor lock-ins -- for example, the PS3 lock-in, Windows Genuine Advantage, or Apple's deliberate tying of Mac OS X to hardware -- are all evil.

Most 'breaking' (what you called hacking) offends me. In the case of appliances such as game systems, disk players, and even my car (Yes, it has a flashable computer or two) I am offended by the presumption that I have no right to reprogram the device just because I OWN it.

Whatever the device: if I paid a full price for it and am NOT renting it, I own it and I have a right to modify the way it works. It should be no different than changing the tires on my car: the expense is mine and I can put whatever I afford on there!

Sony, Microsoft, and other game system designers would better serve their customers (and their bottom line) to make their systems openly upgradable and locally customizable. They would be fools to not make a way for the machine to be returned to its pristine condition (a reset/reload button), but that whole concept is old tech. Trying to control the people are their customers just pushes those people to purchase other products that are not so restricted. (Or, as in the case above, to perform modifications that the designer never intended.)

The automotive industry bothers me even more. The software to run your car would cost about $5 on a CD, perhaps $20 at the garage if made openly available. GM restricts its distribution to dealers only, so that they can charge on the order of $200 to re-flash a module. I am not sure if they all do that, but it makes me long for the 1974 VW bug I used to drive. Nothing on the car could not be services on your driveway; or replaced, repaired, or improved by any corner machine shop. [ I did not even LIKE the car, but I respect that concept a LOT! ]