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Old 06-21-2012, 11:55 AM   #91
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And for the record, post #86 was the first post I made on this thread (which I made clear), so this whole "you guys are the ones acting like children because you keep arguing with me" thing is pretty silly too.
 
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Old 06-21-2012, 11:56 AM   #92
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I don't argue with children, but for other people who might be interested, of course it is Linus Torvalds. Doesn't matter. The intent by the poster was was obvious, and I'm sure it had the desired effect--which was indeed to offend and create drama. Not to mention that I'm pretty sure there is not a parental advisory on this site and as members of a community we need to keep things respectful and PG rated.
Now that you have failed at creating drama, switch to the "I'm offended" stance. Maybe that one will work.

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I stand by my post. I was in fact a potential user, and if I hadn't been I wouldn't have gone to the trouble to visit their sites or read this thread. Also notice that despite my specifically saying I had no interest in the name, they continue to spout the "we'll call it what we want and go ^&*&^% yourself" jargon. Pretty silly.
Actually that wasn't what I said. I said we don't want the drama, and we are sticking to decisions we've made even if it hurts some peoples feelings. If you want to read that as "we'll call it what we want and go ^&*&^% yourself", you really shouldn't be throwing out the childish term. Mr. Pot meet Mr. Kettle.
 
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Old 06-21-2012, 12:01 PM   #93
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And for the record, post #86 was the first post I made on this thread (which I made clear), so this whole "you guys are the ones acting like children because you keep arguing with me" thing is pretty silly too.
Didn't seem to be silly when you threw it at us. Double standard much?
 
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Old 06-21-2012, 12:06 PM   #94
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Wow, seriously? Giving people the finger in a public forum? That's just ridiculous.

I came to this thread as a neutral and disinterested party wanting to learn more about a new distro I might genuinely want to try. I visited the website, the wiki, and the blog, found them a bit sparse, and decided I needed more information before committing to the install. Like almost everyone here in this little "niche community," I commend the efforts of open source developers and try my best to support these efforts, but I do need a reasonable amount of information about a distro to provide me with an incentive to try it. So I searched further, reading this thread in its entirety.

And now that I have, I'm pretty much disgusted. I don't think I have ever seen so much breakdown of reason and downright hostility on the part of developing team of what is supposed to be a legitimate linux distribution. These guys don't seem to see any problem with alienating potential users who come to them from a position of neutrality, which from a marketing standpoint is lunacy. But they claim not to care about marketing (meaning they do not care what strategies would help them reach the largest number of people), stating they are hobbyists wanting to reach a niche audience and that anyone who doesn't like their attitude can pretty much go &^%^ themselves. Yet they repeatedly site their stats of #21 at distrowatch and 10,000 users, so it is clear the number of users does mean something to them, after all.

As for the whole name thing, yes, the developers get to choose the name. Of course they do. But if I were to create a distro with a "something"-untu name, then I would expect to have to defend it. Constantly. That's just common freakin sense. And if I somehow had my head in the sand and it wasn't obvious to me at the beginning, then having to deal with comments about it for 2 years--as the developers have said they have had to do--would certainly SHOW me that people would continue to question it. The team points to the two years of explanations as a reason for frustration, but a reasonable person would see that the repeated occurrence of this simply means that questions and concerns about the name are natural and understandable. Indeed, the longer a phenomenon occurs with regularity, the more likely it is that it is a natural occurrence. It's just silly and unreasonable to get upset about this, just as it is silly and unreasonable to get upset about the tide coming in where you are trying to build your beach house because it has been doing the same thing for two years and will not leave you in peace. It is also pretty unfair for people who were asked for feedback and leave honest, understandable, and perfectly natural comments to be met with attitude, coldness, and hostility.

As for me, I was a potential user, but now I'm done. I don't overly care about the stupid name, but I care how leaders handle their position and deal with conflict. I see no reason to subject myself to the rudeness and unreasonability that will surely come if I decide to climb on board with Fuduntu. These guys will probably tell me to go screw myself like everyone else, but I don't care. For every person like me who comments on this forum about this, there are 100 who will read the post, see the lead developer acting like a child with his bird-throwing and his taunting little smiley faces, and simply decide they don't need the hassle.

For the rest of the people here, I suggest we leave this guy to his own devices to suffer the consequences of whatever actions he takes. It is what he wants, and it is also what he clearly deserves.
Well done, man. You said it all. Couldn't agree more. And it doesn't matter if it's Torvalds or anyone else. My 10 year old son reads this site.
 
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Old 06-21-2012, 12:08 PM   #95
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Well done, man. You said it all. Couldn't agree more. And it doesn't matter if it's Torvalds or anyone else. My 10 year old son reads this site.
Well then I hope he doesn't read any other Linux sites because it was in the news on Linux sites everywhere.

In fact, that was where I got it from.
 
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Old 06-21-2012, 01:14 PM   #96
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Now that you have failed at creating drama, switch to the "I'm offended" stance. Maybe that one will work.



Actually that wasn't what I said. I said we don't want the drama, and we are sticking to decisions we've made even if it hurts some peoples feelings. If you want to read that as "we'll call it what we want and go ^&*&^% yourself", you really shouldn't be throwing out the childish term. Mr. Pot meet Mr. Kettle.
Actually, what you said was, "Why don't you just cry a little and then get over it. I do the work, you don't so go back to your basement and cry." Sounds pretty much like we'll call it what we want and go F yourself to me. And this when no one was even telling you you should change the name or any of your "decisions" and in fact they were specifically saying they didn't CARE about the name. Just your confrontational attitude.

You either have no grasp of logic or you're being deliberately deceptive. Either way you're ridiculous.
 
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Old 06-21-2012, 01:26 PM   #97
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Actually, what you said was, "Why don't you just cry a little and then get over it. I do the work, you don't so go back to your basement and cry." Sounds pretty much like we'll call it what we want and go F yourself to me. And this when no one was even telling you you should change the name or any of your "decisions" and in fact they were specifically saying they didn't CARE about the name. Just your confrontational attitude.

You either have no grasp of logic or you're being deliberately deceptive. Either way you're ridiculous.
I'm being ridiculous? I work 30 hours a week on a project that I give to you ungrateful jerks for free, and then I put up with 7 pages of crap (in a forum that I went out of my way to request to have stood up so people that actually use Fuduntu could get help) because I decided to call my project something you don't like, or OMG I added a dock, or I made this other random decision you don't like yet I'm the one being ridiculous because I stick to my decisions no matter how much you guys cry over it?

I have been perfectly reasonable in all of my replies. Until now.

Find a cliff and jump off of it.

You guys have finally annoyed me, congrats.
 
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Old 06-21-2012, 01:36 PM   #98
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Gentlemen, please calm down. This thread was originally started to announce and inform about Fuduntu. I think that goal was accomplished in the very first post. From there it has degenerated into something very unpleasant. I would say a series of miscommunications and (now obviously) unwanted feedback about the project has led here.

My only question is: what purpose does it serve to keep this thread open? So adults can be rude to one another?
 
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Old 06-21-2012, 01:51 PM   #99
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By allowing emotions to overtake reason, by provoking others, by not controlling their own frustrations and by expressing themselves not in line with the LQ rules and netiquette several LQ members have shown in this thread how not to discuss irreconcilable differences.
Irreparable as it is this unfortunately meant this thread had to be closed.


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