I'm expecting a major revolt by the big brands of UNIX. Oracle invests heavily into many aspects of Linux, and other components like X11. Nvidia is a major player in a LOT of arenas as well. Hewlett-Packard, SGI, and even Microsoft and Apple all have stakes in UNIX, BSD, and Linux alike.

Someone's going to say something soon, and I have a feeling all hell is going to not just break loose, but explode within the open source community and heads will start rolling. I'm gearing up for a Magnitude Earthquake of 11.0 in the UNIX community as a whole.

@replica9000

If you need hardware support, get on the mailing list and try to ask for it there or from your hardware vendor. Best solution I can offer, or look for BSD friendly hardware. Choose vendors that actually want to support stuff like BSD and UNIX across the board and not just Linux.

I have a feeling if Bdale get's Ian removed from the Debian TC, then it could spell the end of Debian. It's clearly obvious the vote call was rammed through without discussion for amendments.

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Ian yanks the project, kicks everyone off the team, and goes it solo like Patrick V does as BDFL, and simplifies down the distribution to everything else being community supported.

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Sysvinit scripts will be maintained at least for Jessie, so that Debian users can better migrate to systemd. However, even if sysvinit is in the repository, this is only a small part of what is needed, packages need also corresponding init scripts. Since the a large part of the argument for more modern init systems is "sysvinit is complicated and hard to maintain, let's get rid of it" it is not very likely that sysvinit scripts will be maintained much after Jessie. Even the Hurd and kFreeBSD ports plan to use sysvinit only for a transition period and ultimately go to OpenRC.

If kFreeBSD and HURD go to OpenRC, it would make only common sense to use OpenRC in Linux as well. That way they have one INIT system and one big set of scripts divided up into three sub-repositories for Linux, BSD, and HURD.

It's just overall less to maintain.

How come more people aren't pushing more for OpenRC? I haven't heard it mentioned nearly as much as systemd or upstart.

It's politics, money, and pressure mostly.

Systemd is sponsored by Red Hat and developed by Red Hat employees. It's big-brand Linux pushing it's way into everything.

OpenRC is sponsored only by Gentoo developers and other contribution efforts without major big bucks backing.

Do the math and it's clear why they feel systemd is superior for a choice. Plus the politics of, "this is new and fulfills many aspects of other packages no longer supported" and it's clear. Without a segregated udev, maintained ConsoleKit, and whatever else has been pushed into forced deprecation, systemd is winning, and sysvinit, OpenRC, and others like Upstart, RunIt, s6, and bsdinit are losing... and fast.

I know Arch has made the switch from bsdinit to systemd. Has Arch experienced any negative effects of systemd?

This is bullshit, I dno't know about you but I think that Garbee should take some time off, as in retire and not saddle us with crap anymore, he is either senile, Pottering has dirt on him, or Red Hat and/or Novell are lining his pockets.
If that old coot does get Ian thrown out I say Debian deserves to go under.

Novell still pushes sysvinit because they're still involved with UNIX. They're interest in Linux is minimal. The real players are Red Hat, GNOME, and Freedesktops.org mainly. They're the ones you should worry about.

As far as Arch... Arch suffered a lot of problems with the early adoption, but it was the hush jobs, backlash, and bashing of their users questioning the usage of systemd that drove a wedge in their community. A lot of people questioning systemd were banned with extreme prejudice and ridiculed on their forums.

A fair bit of MATE is in Testing and has been for a while.
http://packages.debian.org/search?ke...ll&section=all
You still can't fully install MATE just using the Debian repositories in either Testing or Sid but it is getting closer.

There is a dedicated Mate repo for Wheezy. Works very well. My wifes box runs it.
http://wiki.mate-desktop.org/download

It is supposed to be in the Jessie repos by release time as far as I know.

Wife loves it.

I know, I was one of the authors of the wikipage dealing with Debian. It also has a dist for Jessie and that is currently the only repo for Debian that has all the MATE packages.

Depends on how quickly the Debian MATE team (yes there is a specific MATE team in Debian now), can get all the MATE packages approved. I think, personal opinion alert, Jessie will get MATE 1.6 but depending on the MATE dev team it may get MATE 1.8.

She has good taste, but then you already know that

https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte.../msg00344.html
I agree completely with Ian on this, I say Garbie must go.

If not I say it is time for a nice little Debian fork, and I hope hurd and kFreeBSD go along with those developers that dislike systemd and the whole way Garbee ran this.

A fork probably should be made at this point.

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WRONG!

if a distro does not give you the freedom of choice to do as you please another 10 will, and there is always LFS,it is the wonder of FOSS the wonder of loose coupling and simple programs that do one thing well.(the last two are the UNIX way, but then again as stated by Linus in the kernel README, Linux IS A UNIX CLONE.)