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Old 09-14-2014, 07:51 PM   #1
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LXer: Torvalds says he has no strong opinions on systemd


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Linux creator Linus Torvalds is well-known for his strong opinions on many technical things. But when it comes to systemd, the init system that has caused a fair degree of angst in the Linux world, Torvalds is neutral.

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And systemd is in no way the piece that breaks with old UNIX legacy. Graphical applications seldom worked that way (there are certainly _echoes_ of it in things like "LyX", but I think it's the exception rather than the rule), and then there's obviously the traditional counter-example of GNU emacs, where it really was not about the "simple UNIX model", but a whole new big infrastructure thing. Like systemd.

Now, I'm still old-fashioned enough that I like my log-files in text, not binary, so I think sometimes systemd hasn't necessarily had the best of taste, but hey, details..
So basically systemd is the new emacs ?

The devil is in the details.

I am surprised that Linus doesn't have a strong opinion as usual (I was hoping he would), maybe he'll get one later if the systemd devs manage to piss him off enough ? I would think at least the move to binary would have caused some opinion ...

I guess I'll just have to wait and see where things go. I have already made my mind up that systemd is not for me. I will use alternatives as long as they are available and when they stop being available or possible (I can't hack something up myself even) then it's time to look to the BSDs.
 
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't he working on projects that won't be affected by SystemD anyway?
 
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't he working on projects that won't be affected by SystemD anyway?
The kernel will be affected, but I'm not sure what part of the kernel Linus is currently working on, besides approving patches to be merged.
 
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Like him I'm using a distro that uses systemd. Unlike him I'm just a dumb user and as long as it works then I'm happy with it.
 
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Linus Torvald's opinion doesn't carry much weight anymore. In fact, it looks as though Pottering has more sway in regards to "Linux" than LT does as LP seems to be getting his way quite a bit.

In short; If Linus said that systemd was shit, I doubt anything would change. So this article is fluff Imo.

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That is unfortunate because I don't like this Pottering guy.
 
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Meh. Linux is currently a free product. Anyone can become big in the community and have supporters and detractors, *especially when you are employed by one of the biggest Linux companies in the world.

I think it's funny that we used to hate Bill Gates, and now that pulseaudiod/gnomed/systemd has arrived, we(some of us) hate one of our own.
 
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I think it's funny that we used to hate Bill Gates, and now that pulseaudiod/gnomed/systemd has arrived, we(some of us) hate one of our own.
"Our own" is a very relative term here. This Pottering guy has many corporate connections, likely also with Adobe (hated about as much as M$).
 
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That is unfortunate because I don't like this Pottering guy.
Are you suspicious that this Pottering guy could have the power and authority (because of his connections) to make a mess of things using or manipulating systemd?
 
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Are you suspicious that this Pottering guy could have the power and authority (because of his connections) to make a mess of things using or manipulating systemd?
He is already doing it, and he is unlikely to stop doing it. I might even bet at one point he'll want to change "Linux" to "Potterinx".
 
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He is already doing it, and he is unlikely to stop doing it. I might even bet at one point he'll want to change "Linux" to "Potterinx".
Wow, not good.

I'm not so sure that he will be able to change Linux into Potterinx overnight.
Let's see what happens over time.
 
  


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