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LXer 09-14-2014 07:51 PM

LXer: Torvalds says he has no strong opinions on systemd
 
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Linux creator Linus Torvalds is well-known for his strong opinions on many technical things. But when it comes to systemd, the init system that has caused a fair degree of angst in the Linux world, Torvalds is neutral.

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metaschima 09-14-2014 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Linus Torvalds
And systemd is in no way the piece that breaks with old UNIX legacy. Graphical applications seldom worked that way (there are certainly _echoes_ of it in things like "LyX", but I think it's the exception rather than the rule), and then there's obviously the traditional counter-example of GNU emacs, where it really was not about the "simple UNIX model", but a whole new big infrastructure thing. Like systemd.

Now, I'm still old-fashioned enough that I like my log-files in text, not binary, so I think sometimes systemd hasn't necessarily had the best of taste, but hey, details..

So basically systemd is the new emacs ?

The devil is in the details.

I am surprised that Linus doesn't have a strong opinion as usual (I was hoping he would), maybe he'll get one later if the systemd devs manage to piss him off enough ? I would think at least the move to binary would have caused some opinion ...

I guess I'll just have to wait and see where things go. I have already made my mind up that systemd is not for me. I will use alternatives as long as they are available and when they stop being available or possible (I can't hack something up myself even) then it's time to look to the BSDs.

dugan 09-14-2014 08:23 PM

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't he working on projects that won't be affected by SystemD anyway?

metaschima 09-14-2014 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by dugan (Post 5238145)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't he working on projects that won't be affected by SystemD anyway?

The kernel will be affected, but I'm not sure what part of the kernel Linus is currently working on, besides approving patches to be merged.

fbt 09-15-2014 02:20 PM

Like him I'm using a distro that uses systemd. Unlike him I'm just a dumb user and as long as it works then I'm happy with it.

szboardstretcher 09-15-2014 02:49 PM

Linus Torvald's opinion doesn't carry much weight anymore. In fact, it looks as though Pottering has more sway in regards to "Linux" than LT does as LP seems to be getting his way quite a bit.

In short; If Linus said that systemd was shit, I doubt anything would change. So this article is fluff Imo.

metaschima 09-15-2014 03:19 PM

That is unfortunate because I don't like this Pottering guy.

szboardstretcher 09-15-2014 03:34 PM

Meh. Linux is currently a free product. Anyone can become big in the community and have supporters and detractors, *especially when you are employed by one of the biggest Linux companies in the world.

I think it's funny that we used to hate Bill Gates, and now that pulseaudiod/gnomed/systemd has arrived, we(some of us) hate one of our own.

metaschima 09-15-2014 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by szboardstretcher (Post 5238665)
I think it's funny that we used to hate Bill Gates, and now that pulseaudiod/gnomed/systemd has arrived, we(some of us) hate one of our own.

"Our own" is a very relative term here. This Pottering guy has many corporate connections, likely also with Adobe (hated about as much as M$).

Ztcoracat 09-26-2014 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by metaschima (Post 5238660)
That is unfortunate because I don't like this Pottering guy.

Are you suspicious that this Pottering guy could have the power and authority (because of his connections) to make a mess of things using or manipulating systemd?

metaschima 09-27-2014 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Ztcoracat (Post 5245096)
Are you suspicious that this Pottering guy could have the power and authority (because of his connections) to make a mess of things using or manipulating systemd?

He is already doing it, and he is unlikely to stop doing it. I might even bet at one point he'll want to change "Linux" to "Potterinx".

Ztcoracat 09-27-2014 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by metaschima (Post 5245381)
He is already doing it, and he is unlikely to stop doing it. I might even bet at one point he'll want to change "Linux" to "Potterinx".

Wow, not good.

I'm not so sure that he will be able to change Linux into Potterinx overnight.
Let's see what happens over time.


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