Yep...purchasing would have been a simple approach....I often am accused of being masochistic...isn't it fun?!!!!

Alas...I went to FC3..and was simple enough to have everything I needed without incoveniences right in the download...without purchase..yet....(Although...I really am having trouble with hostap drivers....perhaps it's HAL...or...SELinux...guess I'll stick with orinoco for the time being).....oopps..off topic...sorry...

Well, obviously how you choose to spend you time is up to you, but I'd say that if you intentionally choose to take the hard road during the installation process, you pretty much forfeit the right to complain. The fact is that Suse does make the devel packages *easily* available, as you admit yourself, but if you prefer to be "masochistic" and go your own way, that's fine but then you also don't have much of a leg to stand on to whine and moan that Suse is doing a poor job with their distro, or to rant that they're "failing to convert" people because their distro isn't any good. I'm glad to hear that FC is working out for you, but you shouldn't suggest that Suse is unsuitable as a development platform simply because of your own stubborness. Regards -- J.W.

yeah, your probably right...can you post a Mirror that actually DOES have 9.2 devel packages?
(I couldn't find one).

Perhaps I will try again....one day.

novell is committed 100% to open source and SuSE! they won't pull a corel with SuSE...

I had the same problem as jbarwick when upgrading from SUSE 9.1 to 9.2. The missing development packages can be installed from the internet, however.

In YaST, add this as a new source of installation:
ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/linux/suse/ftp.suse.com/suse/i386/9.2/

that mirror has all devel-packages that are missing from the DVD.

this is "fantastic" news... particularly because I did FTP install (of 9.2 mini.iso) and got all I needed including devel tools.
"Fantastic" because I feel lucky (got more)

Seriously, all what you need is there (at SuSE servers). Use YOU or ftp client and download/install tools.

I am having the same problem, I have a 3 CD set that is an Eval kit as well as the DVD download of Suse 9.2 pro.

I was trying to update kaffeine, but it wants xorg-X11-devel and fontconfig-devel, according to the Suse website
http://www.novell.com/products/linux...fig-devel.html

I can find it on CD1, but I cannot find it on my DVD folder CD1 or the Eval kit CD1. What CD1 are they talking about and where can I dowload it if I have to?

John

I don't know where you can get this CD1 from (probably from your local software store ). But you can configure Yast to accept a FTP server as installation source. Have a look in the sticky thread about Yast update sources.

Hmm...

The evaluation version is just that: a version of the normal distribution that you use to evaluate the OS. If the sources for everything were left off, it was to make the downloading of the evaluation version more attractive to potential users. I can't see any reason to hammer Novell for not including the massiave amount of source code as part of an evaluation CD image. Make it too big and no one will want to download it. If you want to grab those after starting the evaluation version, that should be easily accomplished by firing up YaST and selecting the SuSE site as the installation source.

Even installing from the full 9.2 Pro CD set (and presumably the DVD) won't automatically load the sources for the whole OS. Nor are the development packages loaded automatically. You have to load them later or, if you really want them loaded on the intial install, go out of your way to click a radio button that will load the whole shebang.

I don't see any GPL violations about this. (I surely hope you're not all that worried about the whole SCO extor+AF4-Wlawsuit thing. There hasn't turned out to be any "there" there.)

My recommendation: "Have a lot of fun..."

--
Rick

I was going to say much the same thing. The cost of a retail copy of 9.2 plus shipping shouldn't be more than 2-3 hours of a developer's pay (hopefully, less). Spring for the official copy and setting up LAMP -- or, as I did: LAPP (with the first "P" being PostgreSQL 8) -- is a piece of cake. Even when avoiding the pre-packaged components that come with 9.2.

Besides... US+ACQ-80-90 is a pretty small contribution to make sure that open source companies continue to exist.

whether it was a profesional or personal download it doesnt realy matter what you have to remember it the little work EVALUATION!!!

of corse it isnt going to come with every little thing the bought version is going to have and i dont think they will ever do that because its an evaluation!!!

how may evaluation products do you know of that come with everything, full fuctanality and doesnt have a time period on it

berrance

This one for sure has no expiry time and can be upgraded to a fully functional 9.2 Pro by using FTP sources. So the answer to your question is: "At least one"

The use of the term 'Evaluation' is very confusing, though.

Here you go. All the KDE devel packages directly from a Novell server. You can put these directories right into YaST and use it to pick and choose anything you want to install. Apparently you spent more time bitching about the product you got for free than looking for the solution.

ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/sup...2/development/

"Evaluation" is simply "Personal" renamed for marketing purposes, to, eh, "encourage" you to buy it. You DON'T get the full Suse Pro via the FTP source, because the commercial packages which come with Pro are not posted on the FTP site. The end result is Suse Personal, in 9.1 and earlier nomamclature.

it's not "personal". it's "professional". what you're calling suse 9.2 "personal" is totally different than what was suse 9.1 personal. 9.1 personal was only about 700MB whereas 9.2 "personal" (as you incorrectly call it) is about 3GB. you're confusing people kim, please call it what it is. thanks.

however, i do agree that novell calling it "evaluation" is also somewhat confusing. still, it's more similar to "pro" than it is to "personal".