Did you consider some of the lower input layers? I know my Wacom touch got crazy when i updated libinput or something...

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Well, yesterday I did a fresh install of -current (5.4.1 kernel) and this time stayed with Xfce-4.12 and kde-4.
All has returned to normal.
A couple of weeks ago I did a fresh installation of -current and then installed both Xfce-4.14 and kde-5. Once Xfce was configured to my liking, I started using kde-5. It took a while, but finally had it configured to the point, appearance wise, I could live with it, and used it for several days. When I went back to Xfce, the keyboard volume keys problem presented itself, as described in the previous post.
I have no idea what caused the problem, but as kde-5 still overrides Xfce's appearance settings, I'm guessing kde-5 also interfered with the keyboard volume controls in Xfce.
Maybe not.

If KDE interacts with settings used by XFCE4.14 that is bad no matter how you put it

Just bad

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That it does. Yesterday afternoon I installed kde-5, after removing all traces of kde-4, of course, and used it for the rest of the day.
This morning I went back into Xfce-4.12, and, yes, the Xfce appearance had been changed. Re-setting the appearance options doesn't work, it stays scrambled.
The same thing happens with Xfce-4.14.

I went back to 4.12 too, cwizard, as a reminder. All seems fine at first but then the incompatibilities start to creep in. Notice 4.14 hasn't even made it to /testing.

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Wondering if all the XFCE Wizards would take a moment to recap this very long thread. I've been reading for quite a while and trying to make a list of what plugins ya'll like to add to the standard package to make it a fuller desktop environment, when not installing KDE4 or KDE5?

It would be great if the lists were done for both 14.2 and -current.

Since I use a lot of other gtk based applications like Claws-Mail, GNUCash, SeaMonkey, OpenOffice, and XnView I just need to install replacements for a few KDE apps. Known alternatives to K3B (XFBurn) and ARK (XArchiver), but what other apps do you add?

For example, KeePassXC requires QT, is KeePassX just as capable, or is there a better gtk based password manager (don't need or trust cloud)? Another example is VLC, I can run streams through Audacious, XMMS and Mplayer. Which do you use to listen to streaming? Another would be PIM and desktop searching?

Cheers

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I always install Mousepad (editor) and Catfish (search utility).
IIRC, both are considered part of the Xfce project, but neither are included in a Slackware installation.
Another is the Whisker Menu plugin. It is not part of -current, but it is included in Mr. Workman's Xfce-4.14 repository, as is the Xfce4-screensaver. The screensaver is also part of the Xfce project.

FWIW, Mousepad built using the SBo script will not remember, for whatever reason, recently edited files, so I use the mousepad package from slackOnly.

IMHO, the Whisker menu plugin should be a required package.


GTK applications, apparently by default, do not list folders/directories first and then files, but mixes them up. That can be fixed, but would it be possible to have "folders first" be the default?

VLC works just fine for me in Xfce it, but for an alternative media player there is, Parole.
https://docs.xfce.org/apps/parole/introduction

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Desktop search
that's a notch on the negative bunch camarade!
and to initiate it run
once right after install or leave the machine run over night (cron takes care of it)

smh

Desktop search programs tend to also search inside different types of files. I use Recoll myself, which has a decent GUI frontend, although there's a command-line interface and an Emacs package that I've been meaning to test out sometime. Anyway, in my experience locate (finding files by name) is not a general replacement for desktop search.

*edit* A quick look at the docs for Catfish shows that it offers search suggestions, does date/file type filtering, and full-text search. Recoll also indexes the contents of a bunch of different file types.

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What i find offensive on said suited up search frontends is they are not mere GUI but wheels invented to reinvent the wheel, and the fact they do indexing in an somewhat intrusive way.

I use locate for file name related search (the bulk or 99% of my needs) and path or path-fragment related searches.

For content sensitive searches i consult man find or eventually run file <pattern> over directory of interest

I understand the feature rich "desktop searches" are just small scale databases for media files - i have mine organized more or less so i can go by name and path.

The following problem has been going on for weeks, regardless of kernel version and across at least three, if not four, fresh installations of -current. This morning I finally took the time to jot down the error message.

Upon logging out of xfce-4.14, the following error appears about 10 seconds after having being returned to the prompt. It then becomes necessary to use ctrl-c to get back to a command prompt.
The error,
Has anyone encountered this error message?
Thanks.


BTW, it does not happen in kde4 or 5.
I've searched the error and it has been going on for at least nine or ten years, but
what I've read about it, so far, doesn't explain the error, but, then, it is mostly "Greek to me."


Edit in: I wonder if it has something to do with the vpn passwords that were saved in kde, but xfce will not recognize?

For a lot of tasks, GUI front-ends are not really needed.

grep and find are very powerful "desktop search" tools.

growisofs is a fine DVD recorder.

I extract archives into temporary directories with tar and view them in a file manager.
Ed

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For that mc (midnight commander) can be very useful, it does all that for you... (try F3 on an archive)

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When you say "fresh installation," do you mean a clean $HOME also or are you keeping $HOME from older installations?
I wonder if you had some hackery in $HOME/.profile or $HOME/.bashrc or $HOME/.xprofile from back before the gnupg-2.2.x series, and if so, that's likely what's happening -- the recent gpg-agent binaries don't use the same socket that older ones used, and in fact, they get upset if you tell them to do so.

For the sake of clarity, keeping $HOME does not, IMHO, qualify as a "fresh installation" for purposes of testing a bug, and especially not one that nobody else seems to be currently reporting...

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mc, mcedit and vi are my bestest friends
When i am doing something awkward, awk sed and grep come a long way
When i use less used commands it usually suffices to have time at hand (like 5-15 minutes) and use man <offending command> to glimpse the usually useful info from it.

I use:
sometimes to pinpoint a specific file of interest

find can usually check for more than mere filename but i try avoid using it because I'm prone to slacking...

my 2 more cents