Will I be the next to be banned from this forum?

Originally Posted by ChuangTzu LOL, not sure if that is him, but I did/do suspect that Darth had more then one account on here. People don't realize that forensically speaking (pun intended) writing has distinct signatures, even typing, similar to speech patterns etc... PS: Damn, now people will know that, good thing its nearly impossible to fake.

Yep.



I have often suspected that Chuang Tzu and Darth Vader are one and the same person.

Originally Posted by Regnad Kcin Yep. I have often suspected that Chuang Tzu and Darth Vader are one and the same person.

I think one of them is Darth Vader and the other one is Chad Vader: https://youtu.be/0-jd1J5D-aY

Originally Posted by BattKajs I've read in this thread that "people need to just ignore bad elements" as if the responsibility for a happy experience are on the person who are the victim.

But in reality, that responsibility does fall on you... not only in the forum, but in life. If you just hope that everyone around you will give you happy experiences, well, I wish I lived in that type of world. The fact is, we have no control over other people and only have control over ourselves and how we handle what's given to us. The best you can do is provide what you hope is all the information needed to help others figure out your problem.

We, as regular forum members, can only change how we type our own posts. We have no control over other posts except to try and correct incorrect information or report them to the moderators. I like to think we have a pretty friendly forum, but out of all the many helpful responders we have here, there might be a few that respond with less-than-helpful responses... and I'm sure all of us have had off days and responded in a manner that we shouldn't have.

Yes, you and others may become victims because of various forum members' responses, but it is up to you on how you take that response. Do you take it personal and get hurt? Do you ignore it and hope others have better responses? Do you try and clarify things because maybe that person misunderstood what you were trying to ask? There is a report option on the forum if you feel a reply went against forum rules, but otherwise, it is totally up to you on how to handle situations that you come across.

This may sound bad, but ultimately it comes down to the fact that only you are in control of you and you need to be in charge of your emotions. (I still need a lot of work on this for myself.) Maybe it'd be worth checking out a blog entry by Tony Robins called Who is in charge of your emotions?

NOTE: This in no way is an excuse for poor behavior on the forum. That should be reported so it can be dealt with by the people who are able to deal with them, but you are in control of your emotions (spoiler alert for the above article!).

Originally Posted by Richard Cranium Raises eyebrow In the world of voluntarily read words, it is. In the world of this forum, you can block someone's post and not read their words at all (unless someone you haven't blocked posts a quote of course). Maybe I misunderstood your point.

Well, isn't it a countrafactual? You must first read a message to block it. The action of posting comes before hand the victim reading. What you are saying in extension is that it is up to each individuals to act as pseudo-mods and manage other people's behavior. This function is explicitly described as the mission for mods. You can read further below

Originally Posted by bassmadrigal But in reality, that responsibility does fall on you... not only in the forum, but in life. If you just hope that everyone around you will give you happy experiences, well, I wish I lived in that type of world. The fact is, we have no control over other people and only have control over ourselves and how we handle what's given to us. The best you can do is provide what you hope is all the information needed to help others figure out your problem.

Of course that is a attitude that will leave you very sad in life, but my critique are against some individuals in the community that are not following a respectful discourse.

We, as regular forum members, can only change how we type our own posts. We have no control over other posts except to try and correct incorrect information or report them to the moderators. I like to think we have a pretty friendly forum, but out of all the many helpful responders we have here, there might be a few that respond with less-than-helpful responses... and I'm sure all of us have had off days and responded in a manner that we shouldn't have.

We are all guilty to this, no one is perfect but we must try our best even if that won't leave a guarantee.

Yes, you and others may become victims because of various forum members' responses, but it is up to you on how you take that response. Do you take it personal and get hurt? Do you ignore it and hope others have better responses? Do you try and clarify things because maybe that person misunderstood what you were trying to ask? There is a report option on the forum if you feel a reply went against forum rules, but otherwise, it is totally up to you on how to handle situations that you come across. This may sound bad, but ultimately it comes down to the fact that only you are in control of you and you need to be in charge of your emotions. (I still need a lot of work on this for myself.) Maybe it'd be worth checking out a blog entry by Tony Robins called Who is in charge of your emotions? NOTE: This in no way is an excuse for poor behavior on the forum. That should be reported so it can be dealt with by the people who are able to deal with them, but you are in control of your emotions (spoiler alert for the above article!).

Of course people are responsible for their own emotions, you wouldn't be able to handle life if all let-downs would leave you destroyed. But this discussion is not about responsibility over feelings. This is a discussion is about the responsibility of actions. This is a problem on a macro-level not a micro-level. Posting rude or mean will force a judgement on a responsee which in essence is involuntary, since you cannot control what or who is posting, controlling this would be true censorship. Of course this will still occur and that's why we even have mods and a report-function. My suggestion was that instead of being toxic you should just be quiet and let other persons take the discussion or mods.

Those who are motivated enough to give the community a chance will maybe block the bad elements. But a majority will not and this will kill a community, since new blood will never be added.

Originally Posted by RadicalDreamer I think one of them is Darth Vader and the other one is Chad Vader: https://youtu.be/0-jd1J5D-aY

There is a resemblance that cannot be, er, uh, evaded.

What you are saying in extension is that it is up to each individuals to act as pseudo-mods and manage other people's behavior.

I don't see how you come to what I think you mean with that conclusion.

My blocking someone (put on my ignore list, to be precise) doesn't manage their behavior at all. They may continue to post the annoying drivel that motivated me to put them on the list; it won't bother me because I won't be able to read it unless I take an overt action to expose their post. If I have a problem with what they say, I can hide their words from my view and no one else's. For me to act as a pseudo-mod, I'd have to be able to add the annoying one to other people's ignore lists.

Originally Posted by Richard Cranium I don't see how you come to what I think you mean with that conclusion. My blocking someone (put on my ignore list, to be precise) doesn't manage their behavior at all. They may continue to post the annoying drivel that motivated me to put them on the list; it won't bother me because I won't be able to read it unless I take an overt action to expose their post. If I have a problem with what they say, I can hide their words from my view and no one else's. For me to act as a pseudo-mod, I'd have to be able to add the annoying one to other people's ignore lists.

If we return to the argument I was telling. The problem was that people sometimes leave rude, unrelated responses to queries. I'll tell you this, yes a good action for the receiving part is to block those posts. But my critique was against the behavior that spawn this situation from the beginning.

Originally Posted by BattKajs Well, isn't it a countrafactual? You must first read a message to block it. The action of posting comes before hand the victim reading. What you are saying in extension is that it is up to each individuals to act as pseudo-mods and manage other people's behavior.

I hope you read your own posts.

Originally Posted by BattKajs Of course that is a attitude that will leave you very sad in life, but my critique are against some individuals in the community that are not following a respectful discourse.

I can only ask again the question above. 'Sad in life' ? I don't even know what to say...

Originally Posted by BattKajs Of course people are responsible for their own emotions, you wouldn't be able to handle life if all let-downs would leave you destroyed.

I think it is too much to say that being banned from LQ is 'let-down destroying' someones life.

Originally Posted by BattKajs But this discussion is not about responsibility over feelings. This is a discussion is about the responsibility of actions. This is a problem on a macro-level not a micro-level.

I don't understand this completely. And I am afraid that trying to explain would make things only more complicated.

Originally Posted by BattKajs Posting rude or mean will force a judgement on a responsee which in essence is involuntary, since you cannot control what or who is posting, controlling this would be true censorship.

kind of theory.

Originally Posted by BattKajs My suggestion was that instead of being toxic you should just be quiet and let other persons take the discussion or mods.

yes I agree, just let remember this addresses the person itself first of all.

a4z and Darth Vader were people who encouraged me to create the github project for SFS. I didn't always like the way they interacted with the forum, but as previously said they sometimes brought some improvement to slackware.

I wonder why their banned for life?
Have they been banned many times before or is it practice to ban for life?

And while blocking posts, one might miss something valuable.

Originally Posted by Nille_kungen I wonder why their banned for life? Have they been banned many times before or is it practice to ban for life?

I think the life ban means the same as life imprisonment, i.e. it's technically not for life, but it's the sentence that is permanent. So in a similar way, Darth and a4z would presumably be allowed back, but their permission to post would be under stricter criteria. And they may not consider posting under those criteria worthwhile enough to return.

Originally Posted by Nille_kungen I wonder why their banned for life? Have they been banned many times before or is it practice to ban for life?

According to a4z's mailing list post, he has, in fact, been banned many times before.

Originally Posted by PROBLEMCHYLD And while blocking posts, one might miss something valuable.

Yes, but there's the amount of chaff you have to sort through to get the few kernels of wheat. There have been some posters here that aren't worth that effort, as far as I am concerned. Of course, if you do block someone, you can see sections that unblocked people quote in their replies; see enough of those, and you may decide there was more wheat available than you originally thought.

Originally Posted by Regnad Kcin Yep. I have often suspected that Chuang Tzu and Darth Vader are one and the same person.

ChuangTzu and Darth Vader are opposite ends of the spectrum. I think you meant Anakin and Darth are one and the same.

LMAO though.