I have autism, but understand you fine, and agree with Didier's assessment.

If you believe in the convictions you have put forward, then you should take greater care in compiling supporting evidence. What you have done makes it seem like you are being deliberately dishonest, which undermines the credibility of your convictions.

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Many times the mods will defer to the thread creator on whether off-topic posts get squashed. Since Pat is the distro creator, I think that would give him more wiggle room on the "pretty much almost official" Slackware forum (not that it would even be needed here or in general with his posts... he is pretty polite, those comments included).

But if you actually read the forum rules, you'd see that many of the posts on this thread and in much of the forum don't follow the letter of the law and the mods give a lot of people a pass. You have to do some pretty crazy stuff to get banned. I don't see the mods banning you if you used the same tone, especially on someone who pretty much created this thread to cause a raucous.

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Are you purposefully ignoring the word "was"? "Was" means past tense, meaning that it "used to be". Software can change. The fact that you're so set in your ways speaks volumes. Pat and team have tried to find these bugs and squash them... they even purposefully try to screw up the computer trying to replicate bugs, and so far, nothing has been able to be replicated. This likely means that the issues people are seeing are a local issue, likely due to a misconfigured audio setup. Without a clean install and when you include vague statements such as "And in my experience it still is.", it doesn't help you or the developers to fix problems.

Either way, I hope your future computering endeavors works out well for you. If Slackware is no longer the distro for you, then it was nice to have you as a user while you were one. Hopefully you can find solace in another Linux or BSD flavor that doesn't have pulseaudio. Good luck!

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For future reference...a signal to noise of 1 (or 100%) would imply that the signal can just be seen above the noise and I doubt that is what you meant. If there is only noise and no signal the S/N goes to zero.....

I think that is why he used the noise to signal ratio instead - the inverse relationship.

Wise and subtle, Pat is!

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I indeed missed that....SNR is just engraved in my mind as the term to use. I've never seen "noise-to-signal-ratio" being used in engineering as it would explode if the signal goes to zero. This wouldn't happen with SNR as there is always noise.

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Of course, doing it that way, with some people you're in danger of a floating point exception.

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If you want to be blatantly disrespectful... I too have a type of autism called Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD), and you sir need to do us a favor and shut your damn mouth.

I don't care what argument you have, or had, you trash talk mental disorders and people who have them, and you can rot in a hole for I care.

You should apologize to everyone here, especially Patrick, for your behavior. That was beyond unacceptable.

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ReaperX7: I don't think that the disrespectful language you just used bring any good. Better just let the discussion close itself.

Me, I do not feel the need of an apology from anyone, and someone one who does can just speak for oneself.

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Sorry Didier but there are just some things...

Well, some time ago I had a problem with Slackware being unable to authenticate against AD. The only viable solution was using PAM. So I had two options, ditch Slackware or solve my problem myself. While working on the second option I tried to engage a meaningful discussion about adding PAM to Slackware. The threads were flooded with tons of utter nonsense by the defenders of the Unix philosophy, KISS principal and even Copyrights and the S/N ratio dropped next to zero.

Anyways, I solved my problem. My work is public an unlicensed.

Now look at this:

12-25-15, 01:12 PM
12-26-15, 12:54 AM
Wed Jan 13 00:01:23 UTC 2016
Looks like two weeks were enough to ditch all the Unix philosophy and KISS principals. And to thoroughly test the "buggy piece of shit". And deem it stable because "Now it is being developed by other people". A real professionalism.


BTW. Why do you think yourself entitled to judge whose opinion is meaningful.



Cheers

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Good God.

1. If I wanted audio to be KISS, I'd demand a damned patch panel on the back of each computer so I could re-wire the signal by hand. Harder to more stupid simple than that.
2. In my Day Job (TM), I'm part of a group that inherited a poo-pile of code written by a smart guy that knew nothing about software engineering. It was a real POS that fell over all the bloody time. That guy isn't part of the project any more, other people who know that the eff they are doing are working on it, and YES, the result isn't the same sucky POS that it used to be.
3. A high-functioning team can get a LOT done in two weeks. Pat's job (and since you aren't American, I don't think you understand what that means to us) is to develop and release Slackware. I'm not overly surprised that he can do a quality analysis and testing in the period of 2 agile iterations, especially with high-quality help.

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I really hope tomorrow morning after the sobering coffee you'll take a second thought on this

Cheers

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I don't know about the others, but I'm pretty sure the number of comments either stating or implying any of those things about PAM *and* which were written by me is exactly zero.

Absent comments from Pat, me, Eric, Heinz, and/or the other Slackware team members in that thread, I'm not sure what your point is. If you want to fuss about how *other* people have suddenly changed their minds about e.g. PA or PAM or whatever, then fine, but leave me out of it - you're attacking people who didn't do the thing which upsets you.

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What a lot of data for sociologists to compile and analyze human behavior on internet forums... But at the same time, with the 'tens' of years, some patterns seems to be repetitive. Sadly, we (as power users) should be aware of that... Sometimes I check if I'm not reading youtube comments .

I'd like everybody to do "bisous" to each other... .

Bests to everyone "all-inclusive".

Garry.

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