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Old 01-04-2018, 01:40 AM   #136
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I don't test with NVIDIA's driver.
I don't test with AMD's official driver.
I don't test VMWare's kernel stuff.
I don't test those and lots of other stuff because I don't have the (non-free) hardware or software to do so.
That will not change.

I can't speak for Pat, as I don't know what hardware he has exactly, but this expectation you seem to have of him to test a new kernel with NVIDIA's non-free software is unreasonable.
 
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Old 01-04-2018, 01:40 AM   #137
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I don't test with NVIDIA's driver.
I don't test with AMD's official driver.
I don't test VMWare's kernel stuff.
I don't test those and lots of other stuff because I don't have the (non-free) hardware or software to do so.
That will not change.

I can't speak for Pat, as I don't know what hardware he has exactly, but this expectation you seem to have of him to test a new kernel with NVIDIA's non-free software is unreasonable.
 
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Old 01-04-2018, 01:47 AM   #138
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And I know this tells me one thing Pat did not build against Nivida.
I'm surprised that this surprises you.
 
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Old 01-04-2018, 01:49 AM   #139
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I don't test with NVIDIA's driver.
I don't test with AMD's official driver.
I don't test VMWare's kernel stuff.
I don't test those and lots of other stuff because I don't have the (non-free) hardware or software to do so.
That will not change.

I can't speak for Pat, as I don't know what hardware he has exactly, but this expectation you seem to have of him to test a new kernel with NVIDIA's non-free software is unreasonable.
Who was talking about you. This was About Pat pushing a show killer and not noting it. Stop it. It is Pat's changelog.
do not harass me again. This is a slackware forum. And this is Abouts Pat's WORK. not yours. I support his work. I care less If he likes me or not. Makes me think. You Sir Are Out of line. We the slackware supporters ask wtf wtf Pat. Get with it KISS. heads up nvida broke dudes.
 
Old 01-04-2018, 01:50 AM   #140
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It's getting late and I am tired so maybe I am not understanding the problem Drakeo is having. The nvidia driver is not building with 4.4.11? As I stated in another post this was fixed 14 hours ago...

https://www.linuxquestions.org/quest...4/#post5801515
 
Old 01-04-2018, 02:24 AM   #141
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It's getting late and I am tired so maybe I am not understanding the problem Drakeo is having. The nvidia driver is not building with 4.4.11? As I stated in another post this was fixed 14 hours ago...

https://www.linuxquestions.org/quest...4/#post5801515
I do not have a problem. I was reporting Pat pushed a show killer with out a note. Slackbuilds is far from slackbooks.
KISS I am disappointed this much work in a kernel and no note the nvidia installer is broken.
None of those links you pushed sir are from this years nvidia blob.
Be so kind to learn what a changelog is for.
Ask your self Why would I care.
 
Old 01-04-2018, 02:28 AM   #142
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Dude now you are pissing me off. The first link was wrong, I said that, READ the other two, this is fixed! It's late and I am trying to finish up my work so I posted one wrong link then immediately corrected it. If you are too lazy to patch 6 lines of code in one file then just sit there and wait for nvidia to release a new version and stop complaining because Pat didn't take the time to inform you something might break on the TESTING branch of Slackware.
 
Old 01-04-2018, 02:32 AM   #143
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Dude now you are pissing me off. The first link was wrong, I said that, READ the other two, this is fixed! It's late and I am trying to finish up my work so I posted one wrong link then immediately corrected it. If you are too lazy to patch 6 lines of code in one file then just sit there and wait for nvidia to release a new version and stop complaining because Pat didn't take the time to inform you something might break on the TESTING branch of Slackware.
nvm push the link to the latest. it is a forum 0 and 1. kiss
current is not testing. learn current can break at any time you want to follow in RWorkmans foots steps. Wtf dude type sh NV the fill out the log. What is a log.? Why do we have them.
Yes Pat let me down. 2 times in 20 years stuff happens . Better than my mom.
She dead

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Old 01-04-2018, 02:55 AM   #144
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Which driver are you using?
I have 2 different computers with different NVidia drivers (one is legacy 304.xx and the other is 384.xx) and they are working great with Linux Kernel 4.14.x. You just need to find the patches for the version you used and it's already available for some time
 
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Old 01-04-2018, 04:00 AM   #145
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current is not testing
-current is the ongoing effort of developing, *testing* and stabilizing the next Slackware release. It is *not* a rolling release that's supposed to work all the time. There *will* be breakage of various things all over the place. It's inevitable because nobody can account for everything. That's why we expect people running -current to be experienced and mature enough to test and verify *their* particular use-case(s) and report to us when something is broken, preferably already with a proposed solution.

So, in your case, instead of ranting on and on about how the breakage with the proprietary nvidia driver was not noted in the changelog, you should've just calmly noted that the latest kernel update doesn't yet work with it. Ranting won't fix anything.
 
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Old 01-04-2018, 04:20 AM   #146
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Hi,


I wouldn't be that harsh.
They are still very useful apps.
Although to be sincere, I haven't checked when they were last updated or if they can be compiled against Qt5:
Code:
firetools-0.9.50-x86_64-1_sbo
krename-r247-x86_64-7_sbo
krusader-git_20150309_13fa966-x86_64-24_sbo
qtgzmanager-1.0.3-x86_64-1_sbo
smtube-17.5.0-x86_64-1_sbo
sqlitebrowser-3.9.1-x86_64-4_sbo
Current releases of sqlitebrowser are Qt5 based (https://github.com/sqlitebrowser/sql...er/BUILDING.md).
SMtube is now also Qt5 based (https://www.smtube.org/).
I have a Qt5 based Krusader in my own Plasma 5 repository.
Krename development in git is based on Qt5 and KF5 (https://cgit.kde.org/krename.git/tree/CMakeLists.txt).
Firetools supports both Qt4 and Qt5 (https://github.com/netblue30/firetools)
About qtgzmanager, I don't think there was any development for multiple years and the last couple of releases were only done to add new Slackware versions it should support. Time to say bye-bye.

So you're mostly good.
 
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Old 01-04-2018, 04:27 AM   #147
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What do I think it needs. Current PAT WTF. Dude. Buld the kernel 4.4.11 then see if it builds against NVidia if not put the message out.
Obviously the latest kernel build is for a newer gcc. weather it is in the fookin kernel.log or not. How about fix your push to thousands of NVidia users before you push it. Look yes I am pissed At this simple bool. and a stupid short integer that the nvidia guys take our money and send Vaseline . Do not be like them put it in the log this shit breaks "nvida" PAT.
I think it is cold out side spent all day working in the cold not at a desk top. to break my system over a team leader not building NVidia and if you did it did not build if it did build how the am I wrong. Oh breaks Nvidia ?
Pissy.
Rants over you going to drop support for NVidia let me know drop some AMD cards in and end stop the bull.
If you want a stable system, run Slackware 14.2.
If you decide on slackware-current, then - as I have told countless times - you are considered to be a Slackware BETA-TESTER. We (Slackware team) expect that if you run slackware-current, you accept that things can break suddenly without immediate fix, and we also expect that you are able to fix issues yourself and get your computer back to a workable state.
Read https://docs.slackware.com/slackware...rrent_versions please.

Like Robby said: slackware-current is not a rolling release model. It is where development happens. It is much more stable than development versions of other distro's, but this is NOT a stable release. If proprietary software can not cope with updates in Linux land, then too bad ans we will have to wait for them to fix their shit.
It's not like this is the first time this happened... I have had multiple occasions where I had to revert to a previous kernel temporarily in order to avoid losing my GPU-accelerated desktop.
 
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Old 01-04-2018, 05:02 AM   #148
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Another tool ported on kf5, kbackup:

https://www.linux-apps.com/p/1127679/
 
Old 01-04-2018, 06:21 AM   #149
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Current releases of sqlitebrowser are Qt5 based (https://github.com/sqlitebrowser/sql...er/BUILDING.md).
SMtube is now also Qt5 based (https://www.smtube.org/).
I have a Qt5 based Krusader in my own Plasma 5 repository.
Krename development in git is based on Qt5 and KF5 (https://cgit.kde.org/krename.git/tree/CMakeLists.txt).
Firetools supports both Qt4 and Qt5 (https://github.com/netblue30/firetools)
About qtgzmanager, I don't think there was any development for multiple years and the last couple of releases were only done to add new Slackware versions it should support. Time to say bye-bye.

So you're mostly good.
Thanks for checking it out.
I guess qtgzmanager maintainer will easily follow the suite.
I'm all set ;-)

There are couple of more stock packages that depend on Qt4, but they are rather active projects, so no doubt they'll adapt or already support Qt5.

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Best regards,
Andrzej Telszewski
 
Old 01-04-2018, 06:33 AM   #150
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If you want a stable system, run Slackware 14.2.
If you decide on slackware-current, then - as I have told countless times - you are considered to be a Slackware BETA-TESTER. We (Slackware team) expect that if you run slackware-current, you accept that things can break suddenly without immediate fix, and we also expect that you are able to fix issues yourself and get your computer back to a workable state.
Read https://docs.slackware.com/slackware...rrent_versions please.

Like Robby said: slackware-current is not a rolling release model. It is where development happens. It is much more stable than development versions of other distro's, but this is NOT a stable release. If proprietary software can not cope with updates in Linux land, then too bad ans we will have to wait for them to fix their shit.
It's not like this is the first time this happened... I have had multiple occasions where I had to revert to a previous kernel temporarily in order to avoid losing my GPU-accelerated desktop.
We all been here. Think pat Worked on that Kernel that long and did not have an issue made me look very hard at the two systems I run current. So This is A Learning Curve. About The Lead. My First post asked wtf and is it me or Pat.;
You all seem to think it is my system. OK. Great Thanks for the help. Back to the winter,
 
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We all been here. Think pat Worked on that Kernel that long and did not have an issue made me look very hard at the two systems I run current. So This is A Learning Curve. About The Lead. My First post asked wtf and is it me or Pat.;
You all seem to think it is my system. OK. Great Thanks for the help. Back to the winter,
No, it is not that we think it's your system. It's the way you seem to be looking at slackware-current, expecting updates to be fully tested against everything that is NOT part of Slackware itself.
That is not how it works. The development cycle between two stable releases (14.2 and 15.0 for instance) is called "slackware-current" and if you use that development version you are a tester. Period.
You can expect that on release of Slackware 15.0, it probably contains a kernel that is supported by the Nvidia drivers, but even that compatibility will not be tested by Pat or the Slackware team.
And if it is tested and it's proven that Nvidia drivers are not compatible, that's still not a reason to delay updates. Slackware-current is always the bleeding edge and sometimes, it bleeds until 3rd parties get their act together.

You, the user/admin, are responsible for keeping a Slackware-current system functional. If you distrust -current updates because of potential incompatibilities (Nvidia for instance) but you want to run slackware-current regardless, then the best advice is to NOT immediately apply updates. Rather, you wait a day, check this LinuxQuestions.org forum for any reported issues, and eventually you update your computer when you are confident that there is no major breakage.

And a final advice. In case of kernel upgrades, ALWAYS keep a working kernel installed. NEVER use "upgradepkg" or "slackpkg upgrade-all" to upgrade from your working kernel to the next one. If you use slackpkg, make sure to blacklist "kernel-generic", "kernel-huge" and "kernel-modules".
My boot menu always contains at least two kernel choices. If the new kernel does not work or creates issues, you can safely go back to your previous kernel.

I do not understand why you were so pissed at Slackware and Pat. It was unwarranted.
 
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