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Old 12-30-2018, 06:36 AM   #1
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poll on the use of slackware from scratch


Has anyone else than me and Worsel have tried to build slackware from scratch?
The project doesn't seem to see a lot of traffic on github, very few 'cloners'.
Has anyone tried and didn't succeed?
Any advice to improve it?
No opinion, because it's worthless?
 
Old 12-30-2018, 07:00 AM   #2
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one of the reasons I use Slackware and not Gentoo is that Slackware provides me with a good, ready-to-use base on top of which I can build via SBo
 
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Old 12-30-2018, 07:23 AM   #3
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Has anyone else than me and Worsel have tried to build slackware from scratch?
The project doesn't seem to see a lot of traffic on github, very few 'cloners'.
Has anyone tried and didn't succeed?
Any advice to improve it?
No opinion, because it's worthless?
I think that Slackware From Scratch has a true strategical importance, and even if you do not have so many followers, this project helped everyone already, because I think it helped Mr. Volkerding to offer us an even better Slackware.

Thank you, nobodino and Worsel!
 
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Old 12-30-2018, 08:44 AM   #4
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It's the kind of thing that I would enjoy trying, but I don't have that much free time and already have other things that I prefer to spend it on. I agree with LuckyCyborg, though, it is a valuable endeavor.
 
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Old 12-30-2018, 09:18 AM   #5
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To be honest, I don't have the time either.

However... as you know a lot about dependencies, maybe you could help me providing a "console only" Slint ISO?

I have such a request, noticeably from blind users, to have a smaller ISO, for instance because they have a slow Internet connection, and a some never start X.

I know that I could just exclude the X and XAP series of packages, but maybe the ISO can be more stripped down, without depriving users of useful features.

The 14.2.1.1 ISO weighs 4.3G and will grow as I am adding voices for TTS that take a lot of space.

Salut et bonnes fêtes de fin d'année,
 
Old 12-30-2018, 09:41 AM   #6
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One more thing... The KDE desktop shipped in Slackware 14.2 is almost inaccessible to blind users. A few KDE apps are accessible though, some of them very useful.

Could you provide a way to minimize the deps of these apps so that they do not need the whole desktop but just part of it like kdelibs? Currently the whole KDE series is optional in Slint, and if installed the user can easily hide from the menus of other graphical environments everything KDE related but those, however this is not ideal. FYI the scripts show-kde-apps and hide-kde-apps are there.
 
Old 12-30-2018, 09:48 AM   #7
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Has anyone else than me and Worsel have tried to build slackware from scratch?
The project doesn't seem to see a lot of traffic on github, very few 'cloners'.
Has anyone tried and didn't succeed?
Any advice to improve it?
No opinion, because it's worthless?
I have been wanting to try building SFS, but just don't currently have the time.
Your efforts are much appreciated here, and I stay updated with what's going on through the "Slackware from scratch and X11" thread.

Keep up the good work.
 
Old 12-30-2018, 10:33 AM   #8
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One more thing... The KDE desktop shipped in Slackware 14.2 is almost inaccessible to blind users. A few KDE apps are accessible though, some of them very useful.

Could you provide a way to minimize the deps of these apps so that they do not need the whole desktop but just part of it like kdelibs? Currently the whole KDE series is optional in Slint, and if installed the user can easily hide from the menus of other graphical environments everything KDE related but those, however this is not ideal. FYI the scripts show-kde-apps and hide-kde-apps are there.
Try sbbdep. That's what I use for such tasks. It shouldn't be a difficult task if you just have a few apps to resolve.

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Old 12-30-2018, 11:46 AM   #9
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Hmm, I would say that Slackware is first of all created for its creator. If others are interested in to use it - they are free to go.
 
Old 12-30-2018, 12:07 PM   #10
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Try sbbdep. That's what I use for such tasks. It shouldn't be a difficult task if you just have a few apps to resolve.
Thanks. I am aware of sbbdep but have yet to try it (I have used depfinder until now). But I am nor really looking for the current dependencies of KDE apps (already documented e.g. here by George Vlahavas for Slackware64-4.2), rather would like if it would be possible to minimize these dependencies changing the packages installation & build order.

The reason is that often when you build a software, unless told otherwise it links to other software if they are installed. Thus, building a given software with only its mandatory dependencies installed minimizes the dependencies that a tool like e.g. depfinder or sbbdep will find for this software once built.

EDIT. Let's take a practical example. Do this:
Code:
lftp -c "mirror http://slackware.uk/salix/x86_64/slackware-14.2/deps/"
grep strigi deps/*|wc -l
160
Now let's assume that I want some of these 160 apps, but don't care about indexing anything and moreover don't like this so called "semantic desktop" c..p (IMHO, at least)? OK, now that you make me think of it, that also means that users who want indexation of their stuff won't get it. Oh well... Let's forget all that as I can't handle shipping two ISOs, one with the full KDE desktop and one with just selected KDE apps... Sorry for the noise.

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Old 12-31-2018, 06:26 PM   #11
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Pat V. and his crew have the magic to make slackware work and work good, i can build a few packages from source but i am no OS/distro builder, i leave that for Pat and his crew to handle the heavy lifting and i just appreciate and enjoy slackware and am grateful that slackware is still around because not only is it very customizable i been using it a long time and i know my way around in it so i can add my personal touches that i like for my desktop & laptop
 
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Old 01-01-2019, 08:11 PM   #12
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I plan to build slackware64-current from scratch when it becomes 15.0 or whatever the next version will be.
I've built and used LFS on several machines, but keeping it up to date is a bitch.
Slackware's package manager will greatly simplify keeping a home brew system current
It always takes me several weeks till I switch to a new version. So the time to build will not be a problem for me.
John
 
Old 01-02-2019, 12:32 AM   #13
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An interesting thread. It generated more traffic than I thought it would.

I never expected a lot of people to be interested in building sfs. It was
an interesting project that I had considered for some time. Nobodino's original
submissions showed me how to get started. We reinforced each other to accomplish what
we have. I'd say at least 60% was Nobodino's contributions.

It seems to me that I have gotten a lot help and information from LQ and Linux in
general. If anything I did helped Pat, then I consider that I've made a small
return on the favors.

As long as I can, I will continue on this project.
 
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Old 01-02-2019, 12:40 AM   #14
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I'm grateful for your work here and hope to make use of it some time.
 
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Old 01-02-2019, 08:10 AM   #15
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OP hasn't chimed in again. Maybe he's too busy compiling?
 
  


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