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The OP is obviously a troll - 2 posts total - title almost exactly the same as post from a year ago that ran for 30+ pages..
I know there are are serious issues around the website that make it hard to modify. Still I can't believe it would be that difficult to get a front page announcement out just saying; "Hello 2021 - release to follow soon - here some exciting things to look forward to in SL15 ...."
It would do an enormous amount of good. I know Pat has a lot on his plate but I really am baffled why such a simple obvious thing that can't really take longer than 20min can't get done.
Could you tell me what kind of issues make impossible to edit a text file with vim ?
The next stable version will come out when ... it will be done
And the website will be updated when the next stable version is released
I know there are are serious issues around the website that make it hard to modify. Still I can't believe it would be that difficult to get a front page announcement out just saying; "Hello 2021 - release to follow soon - here some exciting things to look forward to in SL15 ...."
Some IT experts don't do a lot of website design. I know, as an example, that Linus Torvalds has never created a website. Linus gets other people to do website design for him. Over the years I've read about several offers here at LQ to assist Mr. Volkerding with the Slackware page. Mr. Volkerding knows that he can easily offload the website design to a trusted person(if he wants to do that).
It looks like the last release was in 2016... seems about 4 and 1/2 years since that release... is Slackware still getting updated? Should I try to install it on a new laptop?
For January 2021 there was an average of 146 package updates per day. The main page on slackware.com makes no mention of development in the -current tree which is what you want to get all the latest changes.
The OP's other post was a patch for a Slackbuild, they likely haven't returned (yet) because they only posted just over 10 hours ago. If they don't return, there could be various reasons for that.
As the Slackware website is unmaintained, but that's where prospective users will still go - and as the last release was 4 1/2 years ago - this question will will inevitably come up, time and time again - like it or not - not necessarily as the product of troll activity, but because of the current situation with Slackware development and lack of up to date info on the website.
I work in tech support, among others things, for a living and what I have found is that people are often wired very similarly and will often say the same things in reaction to a given situation or problem, but will assume that their comments/responses are completely unique to them. This is why you will often see people asking the same questions on sites such as this one. The best policy is to assume goodwill, rather than ill intent.
In this case, the OP has pressed some users buttons by adding a needless poll to the thread - in addition to starting the thread in the first place - but that in itself doesn't automatically make them a troll account.
I would suggest that it would be better for Slackware and Patrick Volderking, not to mention Slackware users in general, if a stuck thread were created for the purpose of advising that Slackware is still in development with links to the changelog, etc. This might head off about 50% of these threads anyway and save on all the frayed tempers.
The OP's other post was a patch for a Slackbuild, they likely haven't returned (yet) because they only posted just over 10 hours ago. If they don't return, there could be various reasons for that.
As the Slackware website is unmaintained, but that's where prospective users will still go - and as the last release was 4 1/2 years ago - this question will will inevitably come up, time and time again - like it or not - not necessarily as the product of troll activity, but because of the current situation with Slackware development and lack of up to date info on the website.
I work in tech support, among others things, for a living and what I have found is that people are often wired very similarly and will often say the same things in reaction to a given situation or problem, but will assume that their comments/responses are completely unique to them. This is why you will often see people asking the same questions on sites such as this one. The best policy is to assume goodwill, rather than ill intent.
In this case, the OP has pressed some users buttons by adding a needless poll to the thread - in addition to starting the thread in the first place - but that in itself doesn't automatically make them a troll account.
I would suggest that it would be better for Slackware and Patrick Volderking, not to mention Slackware users in general, if a stuck thread were created for the purpose of advising that Slackware is still in development with links to the changelog, etc. This might head off about 50% of these threads anyway and save on all the frayed tempers.
I 100% agree. It's hard to predict how and when people will ask a given question. Part of the frustration is largely due to the fact that we don't have a good source of information to point people to. The changelog simply isn't what people are looking for when it comes to Slackware news.
The real issue is that (probably) thousands more just visit the Slackware site, find those news from 2016 and just slip away, not bothering to look further.
This is ultimately the real issue. Anyone who actually comes and creates a post on the forum asking whether Slackware is alive or dead is just trolling or totally brain dead (since it's hard to ignore all the activity on the forum to then create a post asking if it is dead).
However, there are going to be a lot of people who visit the website or see the last release being in 2016 and then just think Slackware is dead and never look again.
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Originally Posted by nycace36
IMNSHO, another way to check whether Slackware "dies" in 2021 in any fashion whatsoever is to monitor its DistroWatch HitsPerDay stats at https://distrowatch.com/ or https://distrowatch.com/table.php?di...tion=slackware.
Over the last year, Slackware's popularity by this metric alone has remained fairly consistent at around 33 HPD.
DistroWatch is pointless in determining if a distro is alive or dead. It only talks about how many people are researching it. I never go onto DW, because I already know the distro I want to run and I track development with the ChangeLog.
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Originally Posted by marav
Could you tell me what kind of issues make impossible to edit a text file with vim ?
There's nothing impossible about adding a post to the website. Pat does it with every release, so it's obviously doable.
However, Pat has held off on a quite a few things that would be beneficial. There were a lot of posts (for a few months, if I remember right) talking about his Patreon, trying to figure out if it was legit or not. He still hasn't announced any way for him to get money other than on the forum. He hasn't updated his cafepress to the standard Slackware logo and still has the "flippy" logo on there, even though the store has been shut down.
Pat just has different priorities. I'm imagining that he's planning on getting things updated when the new release is announced, but we'll just need to wait and see.
This is one of the most high traffic subforums on the site and the highest traffic distribution specific forum by far. As of writing I can't see any other "slackware dead" threads on thw first page apart from this one. Sometimes the search function on this site fails, so it's predictable that this comes up time and again.
I remembet reading somewhere that Pat cannot access the website to update it? Is this true?
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