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View Poll Results: What would you run if Slackware disappeared tomorrow?
FreeBSD 104 16.30%
Solaris 4 0.63%
Ubuntu or a variant 36 5.64%
Another Debian variant 8 1.25%
Debian 88 13.79%
Arch 135 21.16%
Gentoo 44 6.90%
Mac OS 8 1.25%
Windows 9 1.41%
React OS 0 0%
Another UNIX (AIX, HP/UX, etc . . .) 3 0.47%
Another BSD (NetBSD, OpenBSD, Dragonfly, etc . . .) 54 8.46%
Another Linux not listed here 125 19.59%
Something else entirely 20 3.13%
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Old 02-09-2019, 10:57 AM   #391
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But how can you build Python (or anything else for that matter) without a working glibc?
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I already run other things in addition to Slackware: OpenIndiana, OpenBSD, macOS, Devuan. I guess I'm covered.
systemd will get you.
 
Old 02-09-2019, 11:03 AM   #392
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Altogether Python has become very intrusive, almost as much so as systemd. In LFS, it used to relegated to BLFS, where it was needed in particular for Xorg and firefox. Now Python3 has to be built in LFS because several essential packages build with meson and ninja rather than autotools. I don't like these developments at all.
 
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Old 02-09-2019, 11:05 AM   #393
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I don't like these developments at all.
You're not the only one Hazel.
 
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Old 02-09-2019, 11:43 AM   #394
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I just checked on the LFS site. Current Stable LFS does not require Python3 on the host but Development LFS does. This is to build glibc 2.29.
 
Old 02-09-2019, 12:12 PM   #395
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Altogether Python has become very intrusive, almost as much so as systemd. In LFS, it used to relegated to BLFS, where it was needed in particular for Xorg and firefox. Now Python3 has to be built in LFS because several essential packages build with meson and ninja rather than autotools. I don't like these developments at all.
I don't get it. Is C also intrusive?
 
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Old 02-09-2019, 12:28 PM   #396
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I don't get it. Is C also intrusive?
No, because C is the foundation of Unix. As far as I can recall, Bell UNIX was the first OS to be written in a high-level language and it was written in C. C is a compiled language, so all you need to implement it is a compiler and a linker.

Python is an interpreted language that runs in its own environment. It's a very high level object-oriented language. There's nothing basic or fundamental about it. When I first started using Linux, Python was used mainly for desktop applications, where code readability was a particular advantage. It was never intended to be a fundamental part of any OS.
 
Old 02-09-2019, 12:53 PM   #397
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I do agree that it's kind of ridiculous that glibc requires Python just to build, but in general I see programming languages as tools. Some are more suited for certain jobs than others. C is definitely not the best tool for every job. If Python is "intrusive," it's more akin to how C is intrusive than how systemd is intrusive.

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Old 02-09-2019, 02:08 PM   #398
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I would definitely run Fedora, as I do right now.
 
Old 02-09-2019, 02:21 PM   #399
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"If Slackware disappeared tomorrow, what would you run?"

I'll just run. Run away and never come back
 
Old 02-09-2019, 02:47 PM   #400
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I would definitely run Fedora, as I do right now.
I think it goes without saying that most users of other distros would continue to use whatever distro they are currently using if Slackware disappeared tomorrow.
 
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Old 02-09-2019, 04:14 PM   #401
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if slackware disappeared tomorrow i would run straight in to an insane asylum, just kidding, i would probably seriously consider abandoning linux while I refreshed relearn my BSD skills with a fresh install of FreeBSD, it would be a rough and rocky road but it will be a road i must travel because distros like ubuntu, fedora, arch, and now debian since systemd and has anyone tried out Debian testing lately, look in the tree in / all the directories like /bin point to /usr/bin and /sbin point to /usr/sbin and /lib to /usr/lib there is some sort of weirdless going on with debian now that i dont feel comfortable with especially since the switch to systemd, i know GNU's not unix but does it have to slowly turn in to something akin to MS_Windows? thats what systemd makes me think
 
Old 02-12-2019, 08:54 PM   #402
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I know I commented on this thread but it seems like forever - so an update:

If Slackware were ever to go *poof* , I would fall back on Devuan and I am actively exploring FreeBSD as another backup - in case Devuan were also ever to go *poof*.
 
Old 06-21-2019, 02:20 PM   #403
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Fedora. Because I want up-to-date components and I don't want to run Arch

Up until now, I would have said Ubuntu (with added PPAs, of course). That's what I voted for in the poll. But the fact that Ubuntu's going to become a 64-bit-only distro has changed that.

I'd try Void before making the final decision though.

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Old 06-21-2019, 02:46 PM   #404
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+1 for Fedora. It's a very mature and stable distro with a great support community. I, too, previously said Ubuntu but my opinion of Ubuntu is changing recently. One reason is the lack of 32-bit support in the latest release(s), but also the way Canonical is bloating the os and the new snap package system smells like trouble to me.

I also was never a fan of the semi-annual release schedule. As much as I grow impatient waiting for the next Slackware, I would rather wait for a solid stable system than to have a bunch of new stuff thrown together with band-aids and duct tape just to have a new release on a scheduled date. Win10 copied that and look what it does for Microsoft.
 
Old 06-21-2019, 04:19 PM   #405
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Python??? For glibc? How the hell can you get a system build started then?
I recon we ought to rewrite the init scripts in python - we could get a virtually bash free system eventually...

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