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Old 07-16-2017, 01:18 AM   #61
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Maybe posting on the MLED mailing list or LQ sub-forum would be more productive?

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On a side note, it's a bit symptomatic for this forum - at least a loud minority of its userbase - that the one post in this thread that has been judged most "helpful" is ivandi's farewell sneer.
Usually I move along and ignore posts like these. However, this is the second time you've made this announcement during my short time as a Slacker. I think you are overlooking the fact that many do not share their opinions in dramatized threads like these... its just a lot of noise. It doesn't do MLED or yourself much justice.

Just my

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Old 07-16-2017, 05:01 AM   #62
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Maybe posting on the MLED mailing list or LQ sub-forum would be more productive?



Usually I move along and ignore posts like these. However, this is the second time you've made this announcement during my short time as a Slacker. I think you are overlooking the fact that many do not share their opinions in dramatized threads like these... its just a lot of noise. It doesn't do MLED or yourself much justice.

Just my

Good luck.
For the record, I did post this on the MLED list and on the LQ-subforum. The link to the blog post was intended as a basic courtesy to the Slackware users who used my packages on their (vanilla) Slackware installation and who wondered what happened to the package repository.

By the way, you may want to take a peek at the CentOS mailing list archives to see how constructive communication can happen in a Linux community.

Cheers,

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Old 07-16-2017, 07:26 AM   #63
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By the way, you may want to take a peek at the CentOS mailing list archives to see how constructive communication can happen in a Linux community.
You complain about ivandi's sneer but then decide to throw a sneer right back at this whole community? The majority of the posts in this thread were posts wishing you well, and I'd imagine the vast majority of replies to your various posts on this forum have been met with "constructive communication", yet you decide to knock the entire community for "the loud minority"?

Give it time... I'm sure you'll see unconstructive replies on the CentOS mailing lists.
 
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Old 07-16-2017, 09:23 AM   #64
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Hello,

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By the way, you may want to take a peek at the CentOS mailing list archives to see how constructive communication can happen in a Linux community.
About your question on centos+kde and sleep mode, even if I don't use Centos at all, I can tell you that sleep is working well from Slackware+kde, so, I don't see any reason why it would not work on Centos. Another possibility for faster boot is to use hibernate instead of sleep, which, also works well from Slackware+kde.

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Old 07-16-2017, 10:50 AM   #65
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Also, knowing that my two main servers are officially supported with low-risk security updates until June 2024 is great.
Out of curiosity, are the epel and nux repositories guaranteed support until 2024?

And, second question, to what extent do you think RHEL and its clones will be able to backport fixes to the likes of PHP and MySQL in 2023 and 2024, given that these and many other software components were already quite old when RHEL 7 and CentOS 7 were released? I imagine the backported fixes will be nothing more than a trickle by the 2020s. For this reason I see the 2024 lifecycle claim as little more than a marketing gimmick.

Nor do I consider the long support cycle sufficiently attractive to offset the hurried rush by RHEL to adopt disruptive technologies like Docker and systemd into their server operating system. It's great if RHEL and its clones promise to fix bugs until 2024, but not if many of those bugs were avoidable in the first place. By adopting the untested systemd and the like as quickly as they did they introduced God-knows how many bugs into their OS which will take years to surface. Good luck sitting on those bugs for the next decade.
 
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Old 07-16-2017, 01:04 PM   #66
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Hello,



About your question on centos+kde and sleep mode, even if I don't use Centos at all, I can tell you that sleep is working well from Slackware+kde, so, I don't see any reason why it would not work on Centos. Another possibility for faster boot is to use hibernate instead of sleep, which, also works well from Slackware+kde.

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Thanks for getting back on that. It was really only a misunderstanding. In the default configuration, I added a shutdown/reboot button to KDE's panel, and the user simply didn't find the option for Sleep/Hibernate. I showed her she could access it via the KDE start menu > Sleep/Hibernate, and everything works as expected now.

Cheers,

Niki
 
Old 07-16-2017, 10:41 PM   #67
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@kikinovak you start this thread as a statement about your transition from
Slackware to CentOS...

I came late to this thread and I follow all of your reply to it.
Soon I realize that your original intention was to advertise us CentOS.
If I'm wrong you can ask a admin to lock this thread instead to become
a good place for trolls which don't like Slackware.

Since you stop to use Slackware in your distro you are free to open
a new thread in CentOS forum and advertise your distro to CentOS users.

Last but not least this is a forum about Slackware and many of us
rely to find help and advice about Slackware, and not the reasons
about why you or other users chooses CentOS.

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Old 07-17-2017, 02:08 AM   #68
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If I'm wrong you can ask a admin to lock this thread instead to become
a good place for trolls which don't like Slackware.
The troll that doesn't like Slackware (as you say) published a 520-page book about that distribution earlier this year. With a detailed explanation on how to install, configure and use it, and why it is an excellent choice.

Have fun,

Niki

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Old 07-17-2017, 04:24 AM   #69
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The troll that doesn't like Slackware (as you say) published a 520-page book about that distribution earlier this year. With a detailed explanation on how to install, configure and use eit, and why it is an excellent choice.

Have fun,

Niki
well, but this is French ... and does therefore not count ;-)
(kidding! .... maybe partially not.
I understand that, living in French as non French persons, this puts some unhealthy pressure on you using this language against your own interests. Too sad that this country is, when it comes to its language, so insane self loving unlikely any other country in this world, that it is ridiculous. You should have published for the German speaking market, which you could, because 1) you speak German, 2) they are more, 3) they would not mind if you publish in English, which would have had the nice side effect, that you would have published for the whole world, and not just a irrelevant language-narcissistic minority. Fazit: your Slackware burnout is not based on Slackware but on the French nationalism. ;-)
 
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well, but this is French ... and does therefore not count ;-)
(kidding! .... maybe partially not.
I understand that, living in French as non French persons, this puts some unhealthy pressure on you using this language against your own interests. Too sad that this country is, when it comes to its language, so insane self loving unlikely any other country in this world, that it is ridiculous. You should have published for the German speaking market, which you could, because 1) you speak German, 2) they are more, 3) they would not mind if you publish in English, which would have had the nice side effect, that you would have published for the whole world, and not just a irrelevant language-narcissistic minority. Fazit: your Slackware burnout is not based on Slackware but on the French nationalism. ;-)
On the latest count, there are 274 million people in the world speaking french, and 289 million speaking german. Most of my friends here in France speak several languages, but of course, you'll find chauvinists and narrow-minded people in every country. The period of French nationalism may have come to an end with the last election, at least as far as language is concerned. I don't know if you noticed, but the newly-elected french president seems to be more fluent in english than the US president. I did approach a few german editors, but they were either not interested in a book about Slackware or their conditions were unacceptable. Eyrolles' chief editor knows FreeBSD very well, and when I presented him the idea of a book about Linux basics entirely based on Slackware, he liked it. And that's it.

Niki
 
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Old 07-17-2017, 05:26 AM   #71
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On the latest count, there are 274 million people in the world speaking french, and 289 million speaking german. Most of my friends here in France speak several languages, but of course, you'll find chauvinists and narrow-minded people in every country. The period of French nationalism may have come to an end with the last election, at least as far as language is concerned. I don't know if you noticed, but the newly-elected french president seems to be more fluent in english than the US president. I did approach a few german editors, but they were either not interested in a book about Slackware or their conditions were unacceptable. Eyrolles' chief editor knows FreeBSD very well, and when I presented him the idea of a book about Linux basics entirely based on Slackware, he liked it. And that's it.

Niki
nice video!
(but you have overseen that my suggestion to write from Germans was actually a hint to write in English ;-)
 
Old 07-17-2017, 05:36 AM   #72
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nice video!
(but you have overseen that my suggestion to write from Germans was actually a hint to write in English ;-)
I'm not fluent enough in English to write a book. It's OK to post in a forum, but writing a book is a different story. I only learnt English in school a few years, and then through reading and watching movies.
 
Old 07-17-2017, 07:49 AM   #73
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Best of luck, I'm sure you'll be back, Slackware has that sort of appeal.

As a side note, one thing you may find with CentOS over time is that some users (developers, usually) conflict with age of some of the packages, EPEL included. Over the last couple of years, particularly with the rise of Python and R in data science, more and more homegrown projects are using leading edge libs (the authors are normally using Ubuntu). There's workarounds but be advised you may need to start including those in your materials. As for systemd, well it's common enough now, and is a decent package for the desktop scenario, but wait until you hit some of its quirks (networking, NFS, fstab, and systemd mounts); you may feel differently.

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Old 07-17-2017, 01:41 PM   #74
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Best of luck, I'm sure you'll be back, Slackware has that sort of appeal.
Indeed.
 
Old 07-17-2017, 09:11 PM   #75
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I don't know if you noticed, but the newly-elected french president seems to be more fluent in english than the US president.
I did notice that you've brought politics into a LQ discussion thread.

Please stop doing that.
 
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