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Old 07-24-2018, 10:22 AM   #91
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Getting rid of KDE4 and instead adding LXQT or Lumina instead of Plasma5 will still give people a nice Qt5 based desktop out of the box. Without Plasma5, Slackware will of course say good bye to some good applications like K3b, Okular, Konqueror.
LXQT is very lightweight like XFCE so keeping Qt5 rather than KDE5 would be a very good compromise. LXQT isn't exactly ready yet for prime time, but I bet that by the time slackware 15.0 gets released it will be.
 
Old 07-24-2018, 10:27 AM   #92
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Ok, this is just going to be another one of these post of someone saying how sorry he is to hear this. So you might as well skip it..

However, I can't resist to post, I'm so looking forward to Slackware 15 with Texlive and Python 3 (ok, I'm cheating, I mostly run current now... ) and hoped for it to be released soon only because my subscription then would kick in and reward our BFDL.

As Slackware is my daily driver, I pretty much rely on it and would be willing to donate a certain amount monthly. To me having Slackware is far more valuable than having a Microsoft Office or Adobe or whatever subscription.
 
Old 07-24-2018, 10:44 AM   #93
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If Pat takes care of the "L" series dependencies for Plasma 5 then I I have no problem to keep releasing new Plasma 5 packages from my own 'ktown' repository. I'd rather see a stable core OS than one that falls apart at the seams (or whose content is getting stale) just because Slackware is a one-man show. At the moment I am holding back on new Plasma5 releases because of the decisions I need Pat to make.

Getting rid of KDE4 and instead adding LXQT or Lumina instead of Plasma5 will still give people a nice Qt5 based desktop out of the box. Without Plasma5, Slackware will of course say good bye to some good applications like K3b, Okular, Konqueror.
That sounds like a real cool idea actually. Slackware as a core OS (maybe with 1 DE like xfce or so) and then add on repos like ktown, msb, csb, etc...

Would probably help Pat reduce his workload and gives everybody the freedom to install what they want.

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Old 07-24-2018, 10:48 AM   #94
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That sounds like a real cool idea actually. Slackware as a core OS (maybe with 1 DE like xfce or so) and then add on repos like ktown, msb, csb, etc..
Isn't this how it already is on an unofficial basis? Anyway, I think that alienBOB was just speaking for his own repository, not regarding any other repositories.
 
Old 07-24-2018, 10:48 AM   #95
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If pat decides to drop KDE and replace it with another qt5 DE or not replace it but keep qt5, he really should add some missing XFCE extras like mousepad/leafpad, Xarchiver, and Xfburn.
 
Old 07-24-2018, 10:53 AM   #96
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For what it's worth, I would have no issue with KDE being dropped. I like it, it looks great, but even on my somewhat-beefy desktop - which crunches through GNOME/KDE with no issue - I use Xfce [VM]. Xfce just seems to be the 'correct' DE for Slackware.

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Old 07-24-2018, 10:57 AM   #97
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First-time poster but I've been using Slackware on and off for about 20 years. Patreon definitely sounds like the best option and like many others I'd set up a monthly donation in a heartbeat. (Too many horror stories about PayPal freezing funds for random reasons, while Patreon is literally tailor-made for this exact situation.)
 
Old 07-24-2018, 11:07 AM   #98
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Isn't this how it already is on an unofficial basis? Anyway, I think that alienBOB was just speaking for his own repository, not regarding any other repositories.
In reality yes, kde would be the latest one. You are probably correct that Eric talks about his own repo, my suggestion was meant in general. A lean OS that repos can be added (like some already)

Also, in regards to what some others said it might be a nice idea that if xfce would stay in Slackware to add some extras
 
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Old 07-24-2018, 11:11 AM   #99
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That sounds like a real cool idea actually. Slackware as a core OS (maybe with 1 DE like xfce or so) and then add on repos like ktown, msb, csb, etc...

Would probably help Pat reduce his workload and gives everybody the freedom to install what they want.

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Yes that would be a solution and we would need slackpkg+ to be incorporated into Slackware.

I'd like to see ktown and multilib be treated as official Slackware packages and have them uploaded to the public mirroring system. It would relieve pressure off of Alien Bob.

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Old 07-24-2018, 11:14 AM   #100
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In reality yes, kde would be the latest one. You are probably correct that Eric talks about his own repo, my suggestion was meant in general. A lean OS that repos can be added (like some already)
There already is an extension for slackpkg called slackpkg+ that lets you add third party repos that has ktown and alienbob repos in it. Perhaps pat can add it.
http://slakfinder.org/slackpkg+.html
http://slakfinder.org/slackpkg+/
 
Old 07-24-2018, 11:15 AM   #101
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Yes that would be a solution and we would need slackpkg+ to be incorporated into Slackware.
or maybe have it in /extra with preset repositories for for msb, csb and alienbob's kde (if the latter really is dropped from Slackware)
 
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Old 07-24-2018, 11:17 AM   #102
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I heard about this on Mastodon and I see there's now also a Hacker News post as well.

I wonder about how much legal entanglement exists with this stupid store company. But hopefully it is something you can quickly cut loose from, since you are getting almost no benefit from it. It sounds like people would be willing to step up to a level that would more than replace it.

Someone mentioned Liberapay as a donation channel... Well, they are kind of in trouble right now, they will probably be fine, but you should probably stay away for the time being.

An easy win, I believe (again, legal arrangements with the vampiric CA entity aside), would be to set up recurring/one-time donation forms with Stripe.

I live in Minneapolis. I'm just some random controller/sysadmin, but I'd be honored to buy you lunch, Patrick, and talk about this stuff.
 
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Old 07-24-2018, 11:19 AM   #103
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or maybe have it in /extra
Why /extra? It should be added to /a if it works and it would be important enough given how KDE could be dropped
 
Old 07-24-2018, 11:23 AM   #104
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Make a Liberapay, Patreon, Paypal for God's sake!

I suggest that even each supporter receive an email with Pat's response so that we will be able to ache directly to him as soon as possible.

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Old 07-24-2018, 11:25 AM   #105
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I am not going to argue, it was just a suggestion.
 
  


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