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Old 08-10-2020, 12:24 PM   #76
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While profiles might be a nuisance on occasion, at least it is documented enough to manually recover from, as ZhaoLin1457 posting for you in 53
Have you read it yourself? From that help web page
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Note: If you are unable to open or use Firefox, follow the instructions in https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb...pening-firefox
Now following the link open this
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Finding your profile without opening Firefox

(Ubuntu) Click the Places menu on the top right of the screen and select Home Folder. A File Browser window will appear.
Click the View menu and select Show Hidden Files if it isn't already checked.
Double click the folder marked .mozilla.
Double click the folder marked firefox. Your profile folder is within this folder. If you only have one profile, its folder would have "default" in the name.
So it is time to switch to Ubuntu, I guess. This shows how much helpful is that web page.
 
Old 08-10-2020, 12:27 PM   #77
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So it is time to switch to Ubuntu, I guess.
Sure. That's the beauty of free open source software; we have the freedom to use whatever operating system we want. Enjoy.
 
Old 08-10-2020, 12:40 PM   #78
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So it is time to switch to Ubuntu, I guess.
How complicated could be to navigate with whatever file browser or to do the following command composed by me after reading that help page?
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zhao@darkstar:~# ls ~/.mozilla/firefox
Crash Reports  Pending Pings  g29xdt3x.default-1563497508321  installs.ini  profiles.ini
zhao@darkstar:~#
I guess your idea about the "common people" have a very low stack for intelligence...

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Old 08-10-2020, 01:31 PM   #79
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@ZhaoLin Please stop. There is no common people here. There is no one here you can impress. If you want opinion of common people just ask them. Ask your Ma, sister, neighbour, show them that listing and ask what they think about it. You can even help telling that is listing of directory where firefox keeps important data. I don't know maybe this will help. However I am quite sure it won't help grand daugther of my colleague - she is much more interested in herself and in her smartphone than anything else.
 
Old 08-10-2020, 06:08 PM   #80
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Let's drop the Linux kernel too. It's bloated and a big cause of security issues. Nevermind that most people like it and want to keep it, I want it gone!
 
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Old 08-10-2020, 07:26 PM   #81
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If you want opinion of common people just ask them.
Been using Firefox for over a decade. Still don't know anything about profiles or where it keeps information. I don't know what it is that you're complaining about? The end user doesn't need to know any of this stuff.
 
Old 08-10-2020, 10:11 PM   #82
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You don't need Ubuntu to check profiles just enter in firefox address bar:
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aboutrofiles
if you have more than one profile, aboutrofiles
will let you open all of them simultaneously. If you don't know how to create profiles:
open console and enter:
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#firefox -p
..and if you still have no clue how to use firefox, enter in firefox address bar:
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about:about
I see that it is o.k. for your employees to learn how to use MS Word, but not firefox?

unfortunately some basic knowledge is necessary to drive car, use TV set, operate machinery, and yes use any type of OS/software.

heh, most ridiculous thread since last one (the one closed). I assume that this one will be closed soon.

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Old 08-11-2020, 02:46 AM   #83
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My screenshot was a bit lacking. That is my normal profile setup, my main profile and a clean profile. I can also add a new profile to test from.
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In my office clerks are using Msoft Word. Which means they know how to start it, how to open template, how to fill in template and how to print document. And they are quite satisfied with this.
Awesome. Someone makes those templates.

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People start browser and surface internet. Facebook etc. They are not interested in browser. They don't care about addons, extensions etc. If they need something they ask others to do this.
True, they are normally not concerned about what browser they use, based on the above I'm going with Edge.

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After update those people would be greatly surprised because bookmarks, favourite pages all this disappear. So they ask someone for help.
Odd, this would never happen (unless some admin made a mistake) on any enterprise system I was responsible for. An update shouldn't affect those things.

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We are going now into circle. In some sense I was lucky. It is better to happen in this early stage than later on. Profiles is a feature we don't know purpose nor benefits. So there is no rationale here.
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My screenshot was a bit lacking. That is my normal profile setup, my main profile and a clean profile. I can also add a new profile to test from. On one work related laptop I use, I have two main profiles, one for work, one for me. I have used profiles for years, I find them quit useful for different Firefox setups. With the "--new-instance" option I have more than one profile active at one time.
I gave you what I consider a purpose, benefit and rationale for using profiles. Here is another. In an office environment, if policy allows, a profile with Firefox would allow you to have one set of bookmarks, site passwords, etc. for work related things, another with personal related things. For example with a personal profile I could sync with my Firefox account and keep that separate from the work profile. That said..., one does not need to use more than one profile, it is optional. I do agree with one thing, most folks would not use more that one or even care about profiles.
 
Old 08-11-2020, 03:02 AM   #84
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I guess Patrick could poll his patrons to see if they use Firefox or not if he wanted to find out what his paying customers want. https://support.patreon.com/hc/en-us...oll-my-patrons

I use Firefox with firejail, DDG Essentials, Privoxy, and MinerBlocker (that finds an uh oh here).
 
Old 08-11-2020, 04:46 AM   #85
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Been using Firefox for over a decade. Still don't know anything about profiles or where it keeps information. I don't know what it is that you're complaining about? The end user doesn't need to know any of this stuff.
What version of firefox are you using? New default profile definition and profile switching appeared in firefox 78esr. Now end user needs to know about: profiles and how to run them, how to set one of them as default. To know profile - contents, addons - you need to run new browser instance with this profile. In this thread was posted that every update creates new profile. After a some time one may have say 10 profiles. It depends on updates frequency.
 
Old 08-11-2020, 04:57 AM   #86
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if you have more than one profile, aboutrofiles
will let you open all of them simultaneously.
Having 3 profiles it means to open three instances of firefox. And so on. 10 profiles means 10 instances of firefox in the same time.
 
Old 08-11-2020, 05:05 AM   #87
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What version of firefox are you using? New default profile definition and profile switching appeared in firefox 78esr. Now end user needs to know about: profiles and how to run them, how to set one of them as default. To know profile - contents, addons - you need to run new browser instance with this profile. In this thread was posted that every update creates new profile. After a some time one may have say 10 profiles. It depends on updates frequency.
I updated every time the Firefox when there was an update in slackware-current, now I run 78.x ESR and still I have 1 (one) profile in Firefox.

You do something very wrong, or you are just incapable to use a modern Firefox.

And that's OK, not everybody should be a rocket scientist...

BUT, that's not a reason to dumb down the operating system.

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Old 08-11-2020, 05:12 AM   #88
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The firefox profile problem was discussed a year ago: https://www.linuxquestions.org/quest...1/#post6019925
 
Old 08-11-2020, 09:46 AM   #89
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Having 3 profiles it means to open three instances of firefox. And so on. 10 profiles means 10 instances of firefox in the same time.
Ability to run several profiles at the same time is for your convenience,
in my case I have less restrictive profile for banking and more restrictive profile for everything else. I can use more restrictive profile, then without closing it start banking profile, do whatever I need and close it without loosing sessions created with more more restrictive profile.

Why would I create 10 profiles and use them all at the same time?
 
Old 08-11-2020, 11:24 AM   #90
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Short version

I've only ever run into the FF profiles problem on my work Windows system, twice, the last time at least a couple of versions ago. Finding and implementing fixes to browser problems is usually easy to find on the internet, after awhile, and not hard to do, or come from the browser maker, after awhile.

The lessons, reinforced:
- Always have more than one browser, with variety in the source browser (ex. Firefox + Chromium +...) All browsers will cause you problems at some point.
- Fixes to FF and other browser problems generally come within a few days, or are easily internet searchable and fairly easily fixable. (If not, find another browser.)

@igadoter: your work situation seems to be causing you a high level of aggravation. I would suggest talking to your manager or customer about a more efficient and perhaps more fair way to admin and service user computer problems (and if anything else is causing you excessive grief, get that in the conversation, too.) If together you can't come up with a better solution, I can only advise that you start looking for a different job or contract.



Long version

I've only ever run into the FF profiles problem on my work Windows system, twice, the last time in April (so at least a couple of updates ago), running FF ESR.

And, yes, it is (or was) a problem, because suddenly after an update, I got an error message and couldn't open FF to run an internet search to find a fix. Our IT likely wouldn't get involved even if I asked, because FF is not an IT-approved application (a modified and IT-controlled Chrome is the only approved browser), although enough people have pestered them that our local IT people have been great at unofficial FF help and fixes.

Back to the point... an internet search in another browser with the FF error message came up with a few easy fixes. Maybe not "easy" for the "common person" listed earlier, but easy enough for the OP. The OP is by his own admission not a "common person", so this specific problem shouldn't consume a lot of his time. It's annoying, but hardly worth his level of fireworks.

Side note to Igadoter: this thread has run on so long I don't even remember which problems you have run into on which OSs where, but if you are so dissatisfied with being responsible for FF working right for each of the other users and having to fix each user's computer FF problems individually, you should talk to your manager or customer about a more efficient way to admin and service. If that doesn't work, I can only suggest looking for a job or contract elsewhere.

Back to the point, again... the FF profiles problem has never happened to me on FF on my home computers on Slackware 14.2, Xubuntu 18.04, elementaryOS, Windows 10, or OpenBSD 6.6 or 6.7. They're regularly updated (Windows 10 only fired up every few months.) Some have ESR, all with about the same update rhythm. Family members' computers with Win 10 (probably not ESR) have also never had this problem.

I have no idea why the difference, or why more recent work machine updates haven't led to the error. I'm just glad that has not consumed much of my time: it only happened on one OS on one machine, only a couple of times, it was not hard to fix, it hasn't happened recently, and that every OS on every machine has more than one browser with at least one browser working adequately all the time.

TKS

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