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Old 10-19-2009, 04:08 AM   #61
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I don't know any companies that release software for Solaris besides Sun.
Huh ? Here are the top ten software developers worldwide. Six of them (in bold) are releasing software for Solaris. The remaining ones are mostly specialized with games.
  1. Microsoft
  2. IBM
  3. Oracle
  4. SAP
  5. Nintendo
  6. HP
  7. Symantec
  8. Activision Blizzard
  9. Electronic Arts
  10. CA
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Nobody said it has to be binary compatible with Linux, but it isn't, and therefore, non-opensource programs for linux will not run on Solaris.
With the advent of Linux branded zones (Solaris Containers for Linux Applications), this is no more true. Many Linux binaries directly run on Solaris. It was actually even possible (but more complex) before that with lxrun.
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Many opensource applications will run on Solaris, some will not. Therefore, Solaris has less programs available. Do you want to argue with that?
Interestingly enough, this is an argument that has always been used against Gnu/Linux in its history and that obviously didn't refrain it to grow. In any case, the number of applications is an important factor but not the main one. What counts are the applications you want to run, not that much the overall number of applications available.
 
Old 10-19-2009, 04:11 AM   #62
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Well, while it is true that you can compile most linux/unix applications on Solaris and run them, it is not binary compatible with linux, and developers do not release software for Solaris generally. That may not limit applications very much, but it does limit applications more than linux.
I just think that available software is something that could determine how usable an OS is.
That determines how usuable it is for end-users, but the OS is not defined by the applications that run on it, that is totally a separate issue.


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This isn't really the place to discuss that, but I will list a few that bother me. Bloat (X, gnome, kernel). Drivers.
X and gnome have nothing to do with Linux. You need to separate the OS from the userland and applications. You can't say an OS is bloated or has problems when you're pointing to software that isn't even part of the OS.

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I know that there are significant differences between BSDs and Linux. But they are both based on unix, and they both run very similar software and work in very similar ways. For the most part they are very similar.
They're not similar at all, not even from the user's view. You are saying since a race car and a bicycle are both based on a chariot (they all have wheels and go to and fro) they're very similar and operate in similar ways. In one way that's true, in one way it's a gross overexaggeration. You need to look more in depth because what you are saying is not correct. If you knew more you would know that these OS are all very different, and also the OS is not the userland. Two separate worlds.
 
Old 10-19-2009, 07:21 AM   #63
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I really don't care, I'm not complaining about Solaris, I'm just mentioning a fact that somebody may not like about it. This is for discussing lesser known OS's NOT ARGUING ABOUT THE COMMON ONES!
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Oh man. Seriously, STOP IT! This is not a debate thread!
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From here on out:
Solaris, OS X, GNU/Linux, and Windows are OFF-LIMITS. THEY ARE NOT OBSCURE! (Hence off-topic).
Hear ye, Hear ye, prushnik has the right to make off-hand, unsupported, critical comments about various OSes, and no one has the right to contest his comments.

Unfortunately, this is an open forum.

I would suggest that if you don't want anyone talking about Solaris or Mac OS X here, then you shouldn't mention them. If you aim uninformed criticism at them (even, or maybe especially, offhandedly), you will be guaranteed to get a response. Also, don't respond to anyone else who does mention them. Ignore them. You can't criticize them and then shout down the responses with all caps, red type, and rudeness (your past messages telling me to "SHUT THE HELL UP").
 
Old 10-19-2009, 08:34 AM   #64
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Hear ye, Hear ye, prushnik has the right to make off-hand, unsupported, critical comments about various OSes, and no one has the right to contest his comments.

Unfortunately, this is an open forum.
My name does not have an n in it.

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I would suggest that if you don't want anyone talking about Solaris or Mac OS X here, then you shouldn't mention them. If you aim uninformed criticism at them (even, or maybe especially, offhandedly), you will be guaranteed to get a response. Also, don't respond to anyone else who does mention them. Ignore them. You can't criticize them and then shout down the responses with all caps, red type, and rudeness (your past messages telling me to "SHUT THE HELL UP").

Talk about rudeness. I get attacked for every little thing I say.
I'm just trying to stay on topic. Solaris is not on topic. I mentioned it only for comparison, not for discussion or debate. It wasn't supposed to be a really controversial statement.

Seriously, is it that much to ask?

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Old 10-19-2009, 09:36 AM   #65
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I'm just trying to stay on topic. Solaris is not on topic. I mentioned it only for comparison, not for discussion or debate. It wasn't supposed to be a really controversial statement.
Not sure about what makes you think Solaris isn't on topic given the fact you mention it in your open posting and ask for other people's opinions about it:
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Here is a list of other *NIX's and OS's that may not be known to you. Tell me your opinions on them, have you used them? Did you like them?

Unix:
Mac (it is a certified unix)
Solaris

Unix-likes:
Linux
BSD
...

I'll give a brief overview of my opinions:
-Mac blows.
-Solaris is not bad, but its applications are limited.
...
Regardless, you wrote more or less incorrect statements later about it that needed at least to be corrected for the record.
 
Old 10-19-2009, 10:03 AM   #66
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Not sure about what makes you think Solaris isn't on topic given the fact you mention it in your open posting and ask for other people's opinions about it:
It was meant for comparison.


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Regardless, you wrote more or less incorrect statements later about it that needed at least to be corrected for the record.
My fault, Solaris can run any application, its totally unlimited.
 
Old 10-19-2009, 11:25 AM   #67
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I'm now going to do something extra-ordinary: make a post that is on topic and non-inflamatory

I've been looking at what's available, and the obvious problem for anything that's not a *nix is software. For example, Plan 9 is actually in use on some servers, but you'd find it a bit limiting at home. To view a webpage, you download the page and pass it to a (text-only) html viewer! Not much good for ordering from Amazon!

I tried Syllable, which is posix-compliant at command line level, but has its own window system. It could handle the internet and all media formats, but lacked a word-processor. That was version 0.6.5. Then they upgraded, and support for my SiS video chip disappeared.

Minix is similarly choosy about hardware, so I can't run that.

Haiku was quite stylish and worked well on my computer: I could even reconfigure it to cope with my personal keyboard layout. Internet access was OK, but the media players can't handle formats like wmv unlike Syllable, this is from the US and has to respect the patents. In theory it will run old BeOS software, but I couldn't get anything I tried to work.

The really impressive thing about Syllable and Haiku was the 15 second start-up time! Also, Haiku put the same load on the CPU as Linux, but Syllable used only half the capacity.

One old OS that I still run is Minerva, a clone of QDOS, the OS for the Sinclair QL. I use a program I wrote for the QL, and there's no way I'm going to convert about 6000 lines of source code from SuperBasic. One of the editors is still useful too, if I want to do something like transposing a couple of columns in tabulated text. I know that could be done with vi, but The Editor is just so much quicker and simpler.
 
Old 10-19-2009, 11:57 AM   #68
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My fault, Solaris can run any application, its totally unlimited.
Unfortunately no more true than your previous statements about it.
You are welcome to visit the Solaris/OpenSolaris forum to improve your knowledge of this OS.
 
Old 10-19-2009, 12:13 PM   #69
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I'm now going to do something extra-ordinary: make a post that is on topic and non-inflamatory

I've been looking at what's available, and the obvious problem for anything that's not a *nix is software. For example, Plan 9 is actually in use on some servers, but you'd find it a bit limiting at home. To view a webpage, you download the page and pass it to a (text-only) html viewer! Not much good for ordering from Amazon!

I tried Syllable, which is posix-compliant at command line level, but has its own window system. It could handle the internet and all media formats, but lacked a word-processor. That was version 0.6.5. Then they upgraded, and support for my SiS video chip disappeared.

Minix is similarly choosy about hardware, so I can't run that.

Haiku was quite stylish and worked well on my computer: I could even reconfigure it to cope with my personal keyboard layout. Internet access was OK, but the media players can't handle formats like wmv unlike Syllable, this is from the US and has to respect the patents. In theory it will run old BeOS software, but I couldn't get anything I tried to work.

The really impressive thing about Syllable and Haiku was the 15 second start-up time! Also, Haiku put the same load on the CPU as Linux, but Syllable used only half the capacity.

One old OS that I still run is Minerva, a clone of QDOS, the OS for the Sinclair QL. I use a program I wrote for the QL, and there's no way I'm going to convert about 6000 lines of source code from SuperBasic. One of the editors is still useful too, if I want to do something like transposing a couple of columns in tabulated text. I know that could be done with vi, but The Editor is just so much quicker and simpler.

Thank you.
I really haven't looked into Syllable. I will look it up later (after work). Is it a derivative of another OS that we discussed before?
 
Old 10-19-2009, 01:10 PM   #70
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it takes 2 hours on my 3 GHz system
takes 45 mins on my 2 GHZ system
i compiled ReactOs (based on the winows kernel) and it took 2.5HOURS
no more debating but the point is all OS's are bloated
 
Old 10-19-2009, 01:43 PM   #71
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takes 45 mins on my 2 GHZ system
i compiled ReactOs (based on the winows kernel) and it took 2.5HOURS
no more debating but the point is all OS's are bloated
I wouldn't necessarily say "all". But most are, yes. One of the points of this thread is to maybe look at some that aren't, or aren't as much.
 
Old 10-19-2009, 02:37 PM   #72
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I just accidentally came across SkyFire OS. Which looks pretty neat. It runs on top of the DOS kernel. It can be installed on top of a DOS-clone, like FreeDOS, or MS DOS 7.1.
Here is a link:
http://skyfireos.blogspot.com/
 
Old 10-19-2009, 04:45 PM   #73
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I just accidentally came across SkyFire OS. Which looks pretty neat. It runs on top of the DOS kernel. It can be installed on top of a DOS-clone, like FreeDOS, or MS DOS 7.1.
Here is a link:
http://skyfireos.blogspot.com/
then its not an OS, its a graphical shell like windows 3.1
 
Old 10-19-2009, 08:06 PM   #74
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then its not an OS, its a graphical shell like windows 3.1
Well, yes that is true. However, SkyFire OS combined with the DOS kernel is an OS.
 
Old 10-20-2009, 03:45 AM   #75
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then its not an OS, its a graphical shell like windows 3.1
From their website
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SkyFire Operating System is a standalone system, like Windows XP etc. Its require a host Operating System to start, like 2FZ DOS and others. You can start the system in Windows XP also.
So maybe some intermediate beast, more like windows 95.
 
  


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