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Old 07-12-2004, 02:34 PM   #16
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RE: courtrrb

Quite simply courtrrb no you did not read my post right at all. I don't have Windows 98 i have Windows XP Pro SP1. My post was entitled as such because Windows 98 is legendarily unstable and my Mandrake 10 is a thousand times worse. It now crashes so often that i am no longer able to use it at all. Let me repeat that i have never yet experienced a Windows XP crash and that my set-up is rock solid using it.

My memory is not defective at all but of course there have been cases of defective Crucial memory. It's just incredibly rare is all. As with Kingston and Cosair it's worth the extra few pounds. I even tried running my system underclocked as a 2500+ on DDR333 but the crashing still occurred. I've also dug into my spares box and used alternative memory. Same problem.

From what i've seen on this forum, some pretty experienced Linux users hate Mandrake 10 and think it's release was too early, but i'm hearing good things about Mandrake 9.1 and 9.2.

It may well be that its a hardware related crash, but because Linux hates it's guts not because it's defective.
 
Old 07-12-2004, 03:55 PM   #17
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Its interesting that you are having these problems with 10.0. Remember 10.0 is running on the 2.6 kernel which is still realatively young. Have you tried running 10.0 on the 2.4 kernel?? You may be better off with a 2.4 kernel box. Everyone here is saying Slackware is so stable. The reason could be that by defaullt Slack is still using the 2.4 kernel (even the recent 10.0 release). So that being said, if you are experiecing problems with a 2.6 kernel install try the 2.4(9.2).

I have How-To's on getting a Mandrake box up with either 10.0 or 9.2 so take a look. www.linuxloader.com may be of some help. I run both Mandrake and Slackware, both are very good. Slack is a bit more complicated to get configured but its not a big deal once you get some linux time under your belt. If you are having more troubles just post here or on my site and you'll get help.

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Old 07-12-2004, 04:56 PM   #18
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Tho they may seem like life stories, the point is that other people are not having the stability problems that you are having. The problem is local to your machine.

And you are not helping. You still have not said whether you are using mandrake 10 official or the less stable community edition.

And you haven't said whether you tried turning off the artsd sound system in KDE. We can't help if you won't give feedback.

As for hardware compatibility, that is the fault of the manufacturer. Why don't you tell them you want a driver. Otherwise go with hardware that does take linux into consideration and provide specifications or drivers for their hardware...
 
Old 07-12-2004, 05:14 PM   #19
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This whole problem could be solved if he just reverted to Mandrake 9.1. I'm sorry, but Mandrake 10.0 is nothing but trouble.
 
Old 07-12-2004, 05:33 PM   #20
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Quote:
Originally posted by Micro420
This whole problem could be solved if he just reverted to Mandrake 9.1. I'm sorry, but Mandrake 10.0 is nothing but trouble.
Why? There are plenty of mdk 10 installs running just fiine. I have 3 here now and am gradually upgrading all the 9.x boxes to 10 as I get time. This box has admittedly only been up for a week since the last reboot due to power failure, and this is a heavily used machine running multiple apps including windows games under winex...

The only stability issue with mdk10 I've had has been related to artsd and wine, which was resolved early on.
 
Old 07-12-2004, 07:08 PM   #21
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Hey xxvm1 since you have no real experience with MDK Linux or any Linux distro any version you really have no experience to say that MDK10 is unstable. I've installed at least 35 Mdk10 since it came out. I've yet to have one the is more unstable then ANY WINDOWS version to date including WINXP the buggest to date. if your having problems than ether it a fringe type hardware (Remember M$ DON"T write drivers for all know hardware the manuf do) that the drivers arn't mature enough or a piece of defective hardware that Windows does not use. In the last 5yrs I've installed over 200 systems (No laptops) with all Linux distros I have not seen one release more buggy then ANY version of windows period
 
Old 07-12-2004, 09:01 PM   #22
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No offense! You are right! I found this thread looking for tips/traps upgrading from Mandrake 9 to Mandrake 10, and the tittle of your post was mandrake 10 is quite unestable.

Sorry, but I forgot your real question after reading the rest of the posts. My answer: I don't know about that drivers.

Sorry again, and if I found anything related I'll post here. Good luck!
 
Old 07-12-2004, 09:36 PM   #23
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let's begin by making the difference between Linux and Mandrake.
Linux is a kernel. Mandrake is a Linux distribution which takes the Linux kernel, changes it, packages it in a attractive box with many other freewere apps and offers it for sale or for free download.
From what I understand, Linux(the kernel) is rock solid. Mandrake on the other hand is fairy bloated Linux distro.
Second, when you install and begin to run the Mandrake distro, you not only run Linux(the kernel, remember), but you are also running the X-Free app and on top of that you run the GUI which is either KDE or Gnome. So as you can see, when you run Mandrake, you also run several other things.
Now that you understand all that, you might understand that maybe it's your KDE that is crashing for whatever reasons.
You also said you don't care to make sure your hardware is linux(Mandrake) compatable. I am sorry to say that that attitude will only lead you to trouble. Since a lot of hardware is NOT yet Linux supported it is imperative that you MAKE SURE YOUR HARDWARE is Linux-compatable.
Last, I see you haven't bothered to come back and replied.
This leads me to several conclusion: you might be a troll, or you might have fixed your problems(doubtful) or you might not even care to run Mandrake. Either way is fine with me.
 
Old 07-13-2004, 08:09 AM   #24
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Just mentioning that I've never had a single problem with Mandrake 10, except with an internet problem which was solved when I got an ethernet router.
Other than that, i've never had to force a reboot and never had to log off because of problems. A normal day for my computer is one with around 10 different apps at the same time while i'm compiling some large application.
I ran Mandrake 10 community for about 5 months, and official since it was released.

No, this is not my Linux life story.
As someone else said, we're showing you that mandrake is not as unstable as you seem to think, and i'm 99% sure it is nothing to do with OS or the GUI you're using (sans artsd problems), but with your hardware.
 
Old 07-13-2004, 08:54 AM   #25
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Quote:
Originally posted by zaharia
let's begin by making the difference between Linux and Mandrake.
Linux is a kernel. Mandrake is a Linux distribution which takes the Linux kernel, changes it, packages it in a attractive box with many other freewere apps and offers it for sale or for free download.
From what I understand, Linux(the kernel) is rock solid. Mandrake on the other hand is fairy bloated Linux distro.
Second, when you install and begin to run the Mandrake distro, you not only run Linux(the kernel, remember), but you are also running the X-Free app and on top of that you run the GUI which is either KDE or Gnome. So as you can see, when you run Mandrake, you also run several other things.
Now that you understand all that, you might understand that maybe it's your KDE that is crashing for whatever reasons.
You also said you don't care to make sure your hardware is linux(Mandrake) compatable. I am sorry to say that that attitude will only lead you to trouble. Since a lot of hardware is NOT yet Linux supported it is imperative that you MAKE SURE YOUR HARDWARE is Linux-compatable.
Last, I see you haven't bothered to come back and replied.
This leads me to several conclusion: you might be a troll, or you might have fixed your problems(doubtful) or you might not even care to run Mandrake. Either way is fine with me.
Well said

I haven't got any stability problems using MDK10 Community or Official. It has crashed once, but that was because of a copy-protected audio cd
 
Old 07-13-2004, 12:53 PM   #26
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xxvm1 you should understand one simple fact, there are pluses for windows and there are pluses for Linux. The question is what suits YOU?

The bottom line:
On the very basic assembler level, the processor is running 0 and 1 and does not car or know what operating system he is dealing with.
Moving up:
Currently there are two major factories that write the source code that operates the hardware. Microsoft and Open Source.
Moving upper:
Microsoft corporation since its beginning wrote the code in certain way, So did the Open Source. The true tests for the quality of the source code were in the server and enterprise environments. UNIX, FreeBSD types of organization and source code which is Linux is based on, have proven to be MUCH MUCH more stable solutions than Microsoft based systems that often had code errors, vulrenabilities, crashes and so on.

So the superiority of the Linux system over the windows system on the very basic level is obvious. For the desktop systems its all goes down to drivers and configuration, since Microsoft existed far before Linux and was a major standard so does almoust all of the hardware vendors wrote drivers for the Windows OS.

This is not the case with Linux, many of the drivers for less known hardware were written by Open Source engineers and therefore potentially less stable than drivers written by engineers from the hardware company.
Tip: If you buy a new system, go with the known vendors that you know have drivers for linux or will develop in the near future.

So the bottom line is configuration. If you know how to configure your system correctly, it will undoubtelly be much of a more advanced than windows in many aspects. Sucurity has proven to the biggest spoiled fruit Microsoft had to eat for itŇõ wrong strategy of writing the source code; Or its just the echo of the old machine fading away under the new model..

xxvm1 I would suggest that it was better for us all, including you if we were instead of accusations moving to more constructive and usefull rails, and maybe someone could help you with your configuration problem. Insulting and saying unnice things may just take the wish out of users that love Linux and are really the ones that can help you out, posting here to help you out.

10Mhz
 
Old 07-13-2004, 02:45 PM   #27
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Quote:
Originally posted by amosf
Make sure you are using mdk10official and not the beta comunity version.
Do you mean the community version is a beta, or the beta of the community version?
 
Old 07-13-2004, 04:40 PM   #28
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I think mandrake is great, the only beef I have with it is that I can never get anything to install except FireFox. I don't think I have had an error free install otherwise which is quite frustrating. I have a Win2k, WinXP and Mandrake 10 machine and they are all pretty stable (my Mandrake machine kept locking up originally but it was because it was overheating).
 
Old 07-13-2004, 05:14 PM   #29
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Firstly let me congratulate the following people on sound advice:
spoody_goon
PDR60
Micro420
Scasagra

Well done guys. I've binned the appalling Mandrake 10, and am now running Mandrake 9.2 without any stability problems whatsoever. Who knows, maybe my "defective hardware" healed itself while i slept, or maybe Mandrake 10 is just buggy and poor. Whatever the case, i appreciate the constructive views given. I refer you people to the bottom paragraph "Problem 2".


Now to address the mindless crew of idiots who are so blind in their hatred of Microsoft that their motivation for posting replies to my cheekily named thread was to attack me. I'd be surprised if they even read the initial problem.

We had Caeda who was helpful only in pointing out a typo.

We have courtrrb who made himself/herself look ridiculous saying that Windows XP is the buggiest to date when it clearly isnít.

We have Zaharia who starts name-calling, referring to myself as a "troll", like i live to cause trouble in forums. I suggest you don't judge people by your own standards sonny because some of us have a life outside this forum. Believe it. It is possible. If you don't like what i say then nobody is forcing you to click that mouse on my thread.

10Mhz i agree with you that Microsoft loses points because its security is poor. However, remember that the reason for this is that some people decide to steal Microsoft source code prior to its release. These "people" are hardcore hackers who hate Microsoft with a passion. It goes without saying that their computers do not have Windows. They are Linux users. So forgive me if i reject the idea of poor innocent Linux users fighting as the underdogs against the evil Bill Gates.

Would Windows be perfect without these unhelpful acts? Of course not, it would still have problems regardless, but a lot lot less. Also bear in mind that Windows will always have more security issues than Linux because there are more viruses written for it, as an overwhelming majority of home users have it as their sole OS. I think itís fair to say that large portions of the people who write these malicious codes are Linux users as well. The rest using Windows and in it for the infamy.

Now continuing as the cheeky fella i am, i have a new gripe. For those of you who haven't just thrown your red hats on the floor in anger, read on.


Problem 2:

I have a USB modem which uses a Conexant Access Runner chipset. I bought this device long before Linux was considered, as previously explained. My ISP informs me that it will not work with Linux because no drivers are available. However it does suggest that using Conexant Access Runner drivers may work. Where do i find them? And how do i install them?
 
Old 07-13-2004, 05:45 PM   #30
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And I recently upgraded 9.2 to 10 without any stability problems until I installed crossover and winex, at which time I had to switch off the KDE sound server which can be a PITA anyway. Di d you ever try switching off the KDE sound server? Were you using a 2.4 or 2.6 kernel? The 2.6 is a different beast...

Anyway, sorry to break this to you, but when you post something with a subject like "mandrake 10 even makes Windows98 look stable" you are going to ruffle feathers, especially when a large percentage of the MDK 10 users are having no problems with their systems. Even so, some helpful suggestions were given...

But then you expect people to go out and write a driver for your modem in their free time. Why not go and complain to the guys who made the thing. They produced a driver for windows - MS didn't have to do it. Why not ask them all about it.

I've tried to help and you annoyed the heck out of me by not even responding as to whether you even tried removing artsd. Rather you just put out the blanket statement that mdk 10 was rubbish. It's not the best way to get help, sorry...

Suggestions. Buy a new modem or go back to windows.
 
  


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