Kali Linux sticky thread?

I think it's worth mentioning that while the OP may or may not read and respond anything posted on here is available to everyone on the internet and through search engines. Somebody may search for "Install VirtualBox Kali" and end up on a thread here and they may actually read the responses and realise their error. Or, people may use the posts as examples to others when advising them not to use Kali.
This is a public resource, remember, so the person being helped by a thread is not always the original poster.

Originally Posted by jsbjsb001 "Educating" long term members is going to achieve nothing.

That's my point - and "educating" new members is even more pointless. This should be a technical forum - "don't use distro/ OS xyz" should not be on the menu as it were.

Originally Posted by jlinkels About the long term users, if they want to waste their time, it is their choice.

Of course, but then the same applies to new users posting kali threads. My point is that attempting to "educate" both types of users is a pointless exercise - but it's much easier to reach established, long term people. Ignoring the threads is the best bet. If you don't visit here for a few weeks, you manage to ignore the threads anyway.

If the admin want to deal with this, they ban it's discussion (and again that's viable), or they just leave it and those who make threads like this one because they're annoyed at reading kali threads just learn to walk on by.

Originally Posted by 273 Somebody may search for "Install VirtualBox Kali" and end up on a thread here and they may actually read the responses and realise their error. Or, people may use the posts as examples to others when advising them not to use Kali.

I'm not sure it's for this forum to "educate" people not to use kali. Finding a ton of unanswered threads, would have much the same effect. If you use a resource and don't get the responses or solutions you're looking for, you tend to just move on. That passive approach works best on the web. Sticky threads will just attract more attention (in terms of search engine hits) and probably more kali users, but not necessarily reading and heeding the warnings...

Originally Posted by cynwulf I'm not sure it's for the this forum to "educate" people not to use kali. Finding a ton of unanswered threads, would have the much same effect. If you use a resource and don't get the responses or solutions you're looking for, you tend to just move on. That passive approach works best. Sticky threads will just attract more attention (more search engine hits) and probably more kali users if you ask me...

I agree that it's not the place of any forum to educate people not to do anything. However, I think that what forums like this can show is that "There is more to Linux than Kali." and that, by using something "easier", people can still have fun playing with Linux.
To not answer, to me at least, suggests either that the topic is taboo or that people are in some way being elitist.
I will, now and again, make fun of the Mr Robot postings but I do so remembering that it took some people I know telling me, basically, "Don't try to run before you can walk, install and run Ubuntu dual-boot and get it working before trying to replicate what you're doing in Windows." to get me to learn.

Originally Posted by cynwulf That's my point - and "educating" new members is even more pointless. This should be a technical forum - "don't use distro/ OS xyz" should not be on the menu as it were.

Well it's not, you have obviously ignored the example I give you were it DID work (and not the only example either). The other point your missing here is that if people here are pointed to the sticky in relation to their pointless Kali question(s) see that they are not only, not going to get much help, but also just be pointed to the sticky (or other info), it is more likely going to discourage them from posting a pointless Kali question in the first place.

Also, no-one is saying that people should not use Kali Linux, people are saying that if you are new to Linux, it's just not the best distro to start with. And also that you have the necessary skills to use it, for it's intended purposes.

Of course, but then the same applies to new users posting kali threads. My point is that attempting to "educate" both types of users is a pointless exercise - but it's much easier to reach established, long term people. Ignoring the threads is the best bet. If you don't visit here for a few weeks, you manage to ignore the threads anyway.

But it's not pointless. And once again, after they have been pointed to the sticky, etc... we are agreeing with you that any further question about Kali should be ignored.

If the admin want to deal with this, they ban it's discussion (and again that's viable), or they just leave it and those who make threads like this one because they're annoyed at reading kali threads just learn to walk on by.

But it's not viable, cynwulf. I could say that I've installed the tools you would find in Kali on Debian itself and make out like I'm using Debian when really I'm using Kali instead. How's a blanket ban going to cover that and if it did, well Jeremy may as well close LQ now, as what would people be able to ask with a blanket ban in place?

I'm not sure it's for this forum to "educate" people not to use kali. Finding a ton of unanswered threads, would have much the same effect. If you use a resource and don't get the responses or solutions you're looking for, you tend to just move on. That passive approach works best on the web. Sticky threads will just attract more attention (in terms of search engine hits) and probably more kali users, but not necessarily reading and heeding the warnings...

Well actually, getting help here does educate people. Once again, the sticky HAS worked for at least some people.

And again, the sticky has already been posted and sticky'd, so what is the point in arguing about weather it should be there or not? You have missed the train there, I'm sorry...

I don't agree with the need for a sticky - whether the sticky exists or not is irrelevant, but you ressurected the thread to make changes. I said banning was "viable", I didn't argue for bannning. I had no idea that this thread was an exclusive club where opposing opinions weren't welcome.

Originally Posted by cynwulf It didn't take long for a "classic example" to materialise: https://www.linuxquestions.org/quest...nt-4175618148/

aww that's just sad...

It's a futile excercise to try to "educate" such users and point them to sticky threads. It may be more worthwhile to target existing long term users and try to 'educate' them to not waste their time responding...

agreed on both points.
i always wondered, why post to a thread with
a) a poorly phrased question
b) urgent issues have always been adressed by the first 2 replies
c) op has not yet replied at all
???
yet, here on LQ it seems to be rather common to have a dozen people answer such a thread, when it's really pointless, at least until op comes back...

i am always happy for the possibilty to subscribe to a thread without posting to it.
that way i wait; if a sensible reply comes, i can still reply to that.
otherwise, why bother joining the choir?

Maybe we also need a "how to remove Kali, once you've decided not to pursue your hacking career and go back to Windows 10" sticky...?

https://www.linuxquestions.org/quest...-a-4175618753/

So what's the summary. Lets try:

Stickies are useless because people who need them most do not read them.
Kali as first Linux is not good for learning, but we should not let them know because they will not listen anyway.
Replying to Kali support requests is useless waste of time and forum resources.

Anything else?

Originally Posted by Emerson So what's the summary. Lets try: Stickies are useless because people who need them most do not read them. Kali as first Linux is not good for learning, but we should not let them know because they will not listen anyway. Replying to Kali support requests is useless waste of time and forum resources. Anything else?

Yes: Anyone may read any thread posted on here so a response to a Kali thread asking the wrong thing should, probably, reflect the opinion of the site's onwer, moderators and contributors so that anyone finding it by Google can see that the "Mr Robot" jokes are just that and that help will be given when it makes sense.

Originally Posted by Emerson Stickies are useless because people who need them most do not read them. Kali as first Linux is not good for learning, but we should not let them know because they will not listen anyway. Replying to Kali support requests is useless waste of time and forum resources.

NO on all 3 points.
because there's always also those that DO benefit from stickies and advice.

you don't know how much WORSE the situation would be without that.

Originally Posted by ondoho NO on all 3 points. because there's always also those that DO benefit from stickies and advice. you don't know how much WORSE the situation would be without that.

Some evidence for this is in post #44, in the example I have already given. Being this one.

I think also given the views the Kali sticky in the Newbies forum has had, well... I haven't viewed over 1,985 times myself and while I'm sure when it was initially posted, other members may well have looked at it (that don't actually use Kali themselves or know what their doing anyway); I think that sort of figure would suggest that it has been viewed by at least some people that may well have otherwise posted yet another pointless question about/concerning our good mate Kali.

And I believe that it's a fair bet that the above would in likelihood be true to at least some extent.

The other problem with just ignoring Kali related threads altogether is that it adds to the ZRT list.

Personally, I'd prefer if people did answer to point them to the relevant sticky/documentation. It has the added benefit that it re-enforces the message to any would-be Kali posters that their questions are just going to be pointed to elsewhere and people here, are not going to sit there and waste their time.

Particularly, as has been pointed out by other members, that there's no way someone who does not even understand how to use Kali, is going to be able to successfully crack another system using Kali.

Particularly, as has been pointed out by other members, that there's no way someone who does not even understand how to use Kali, is going to be able to successfully crack another system using Kali.

Yet, they put a vulnerable box online and they won't learn how to use Linux/UNIX because they keep using it as root, leaving out the whole security of OS. It may be funny talking about a few vulnerable Linux boxes while there is whole series of an OS which could never pass online safety certification (if there was one). Yet, this is not an excuse to create similar broken Linux boxes.

^ all the more reason to keep up the stickies and keep lecturing them.

i think you were probably being sarcastic in your previous post, sarcastic about our complaining in this thread here, and that's ok by me, but i just wanted to make sure and clarify where i really stand on the topic.

now let me go back to flaming teenage wannabe hackers (troll face, rubbing hands).

A recent PM from another member suggesting a link for the "More Resources" section of the Kali sticky got me thinking;
(and that link has been added to the sticky)

And as copied from one of my PM's in reply to that same member: "Yeah, I can see the benefit of your link for the sticky, as it makes it more useful in that: it can be used to not only to point people to when using Kali for the wrong purposes; the sticky can also be used to help people using it for the right purposes. I do agree with that."

Sorry, but I'm just too lazy to type much... ... go copy and paste!

But anyway's, you get the point, it can still have useful links in at least the "More Resources" section of it and therefore be helpful to those that ARE using Kali for it's intended purposes.

So if any members have such a useful link(s), please by all means post em' here. As because it's a closed thread (which I agree with), I can't edit the sticky myself.

BTW, to our one and only frankbell for the link that's been added!

please add a link to the sticky in question to post #1.
thanks.