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Old 11-29-2004, 09:50 PM   #1336
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Comercial Software will be under par

I keep saying this: Macromedia and Adobe are pretty smug - thinking they should wait and join the Linux "revolution" only when there is much money to be made. Maybe when Linux users reach 10% of the desktop world?

I will bet every single dime that when they go about porting their application it will be an utter absolute catastrophe.

Linux is so extremely different from other OS'es and it requires a *lot* of previous experience, many years knowing all the nuances,
the tricks , the hacks - to get a brilliant app going. If they think they just can come up with something Microsoft RAD style - they will be for a nasty surprise.

This is not to discourage them from ever considering porting an application - but to encourage that they should be prototyping as soon as possible - Time is running out.

Take a look at Adobe's Linux version of Acrobat Reader.
It look like something from the 70s in grey motif style and now compare it now with Gnome or KDE much slicker versions.

RealPlayer 9 was the same - but then they thought about starting the Helix Open Source Project; RealPlayer 10 borrowed from that and became a much more amenable plugin. So the guys at RealNetwork had some wisdom at least.

But other apps that was quickly bundled together so that it would "also-run-in-Linux" was Mathematica and Maya.
At least recent version felt so very primitive / clunky and old-looking who would fork 1500 / $3000 + for any of them when their Windows version is so much smoother.

What could happen is that another bad-immediate solution would be to have a wine-configured version of the software.
Corel botched-up a Corel Draw 9 / Corel Photo-Paint a while back using wine.

So it was nothing more than a wine-app fine-tuned but not really as it happen to be buggy and crashed a lot.
Recently this year, they tried to roll out a Corel Wordperfect 12 for Linux again (as a proof-of-concept) .. I think they were charging in the region of $40-$50 - but we are talking about an app that still belonged to the Corel Linux days - with many feature missing and pretty ancient (I read in forums) ... Just shows: even a company such as Corel with previous Linux GUI experience finds it very hard.

IBM ships out middleware application and DeveloperWorks that uses "Installshied" for Linux. Is that a joke? When I receive a demo for their application - I was disheatened to find out it failed installation miserably. And that was Java! (Something much easier to do : companies such as Limewire, Skype got it right)

And there are other companies that got it right: Softmaker from Germany produces fast and light Wordprocessors and Spreadsheet software - coded from scratch. Although less powerful than OpenOffice - TextMaker and PlanMaker are so incredibly slick and clean in design; they have the extra advantage of firing up way faster, eating less resources and being the favourite wordprocessor for some.

(I wish I could mention AC3D - but I haven't installed it yet )

The fact is that programming for WIndows is pretty easy. Anyone can do it - some commercial software have written entire applications using Visual Basic and the customers wouldn't know the difference! Anyone can blundle ActiveX components together - even writing games in Windows is way much easier with DirectX and games IDE.

No wonder some game companies freaked out porting their stuff - without experience like the Doom/Quake folks - it *is* a challenge. But the wasted effort is not in vain. Linux customers are loyal customers. Linux users rarely get pirated or warez of a commercial Linux application. And while the Financial Dept of companies argue that they share such a measily desktop percentage - what they fail is that there are hardly any competition. A game title such as Unreal would be purchased by almost every single Linux gamer without Halo 2 / Half-Life / Tribes / (add another 50 competing titles per month) to worry about.

Microsoft have provided an easy development platform but for end-users exhorbitant prices and disgraceful security records.
Government agencies and charities will be the first migrating, then other companies will follow suit.
With much saved cash they won't find purchasing a couple of essential applications a putt-off
they probably even want that - so they can have a 1-800-Support Line number ready.

So unless big companies move in quickly .. it will be forever late.
By that time the usual open source software will become better and better (imagine Gimp 4.0)
plus a new set excelling products (both commercial and free) - impossible to compete under Linux.

"Big Companies" - You were warned
Old 11-30-2004, 04:50 AM   #1337
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Steam, that thing that enable you to play cs online
But ju can play allmost allgames that Valve has.
Old 11-30-2004, 06:57 PM   #1338
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Originally posted by wLancer
Half Life 2
GOod news my friend i heard its comeing
Old 11-30-2004, 08:49 PM   #1339
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dude thats so badd @$$
Old 12-01-2004, 04:04 AM   #1340
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That is so true. Thanks for hitting the nail on it's head by putting this in writing. You're dead on right, and I wish there was a coordinated effort to make the giants such as Adobe, Macromedia and others aware of which direction they are heading in.
Just look to Microsoft how much money they spent catching up on the Internet, waiting forever to get a workable IP stack in Windows, and their acquisitions to get a half-decent browser. Even Windows95 didn't get it right, and some (me included) seriously questions whether they ever will...
Too shame others are following in the same tracks of failure, catching the scent of change too late...
Old 12-02-2004, 10:14 PM   #1341
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Rep: Reputation: 15 the name of all that is good and holy, port shockwave....shockwave/gamehouse games (the download ones) would be good too
Old 12-03-2004, 05:53 AM   #1342
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Callwave is the handiest damn tool for a dial up user out there. Since switching to linux people have been complaining about not being able to get through.
I'd pay full price for CW, maybe a buck or two more
Old 12-06-2004, 06:30 PM   #1343
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Miranda, for sure =( Sim works fine, but Miranda >>> all, imo
Old 12-06-2004, 08:35 PM   #1344
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How about browser basics, like better streaming video support on pages that requires plugins (there are no linux plugins)... or shockwave. And no, I don't want to run crossover software.
Old 12-07-2004, 12:11 AM   #1345
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I know I may be the only one but Game Maker hands down. I'd pay $40+
Old 12-07-2004, 01:38 PM   #1346
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Musicmatch box
I know there a lot of mp3 player and CD burner under linux but I still like to use musicmatch box in linux (That the only thing I miss window).
and stanaphone( make long distance call and I got to log in window just for that (it doesn't work under wine).
Old 12-07-2004, 01:41 PM   #1347
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Originally posted by ngan_yine
Musicmatch box
I know there a lot of mp3 player and CD burner under linux but I still like to use musicmatch box in linux (That the only thing I miss window).
and stanaphone( make long distance call and I got to log in window just for that (it doesn't work under wine).
For the calling, try Skype.
Old 12-07-2004, 02:12 PM   #1348
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Thanks man
I can even call my country;
Old 12-07-2004, 02:58 PM   #1349
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Two Words

Logic Express

Although Cubase, Reaktor (and all the other NI stuff), Reason, and Amplitube would be nice as well.
Old 12-08-2004, 06:48 AM   #1350
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i do freelance translation using sdlx, a really great tool. It runs only on Windows. I'd like to install it again using WineX or some such, but it would be really great if SDLX were to be ported to Linux.

Since I'm just a mere user and have no inkling of coding, I'm hoping that there's a good geeky samaritan out there who can do the job.

thanx, folks


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