Many thanks for the welcoming tip...
I fixed the telnet problem I was having based on those webpages (THANKS!)... did some more searching on my FTP problem and came up empty handed again...
story: my ftp daemon used to work fine (so i think its 'mostly' setup correct) a few weeks ago, until I tried installing a couple other servers... PPP/SMTP and samba I think, thats when it started acting weird... my telnet/ftpd started acting weird so i freaked out and uninstalled all that stuff I had just added.... but my ftp is still acting weird
So now when I log in with an FTP client... it gets hung up when it tries to execute the LIST command... it eventually lists after a couple minutes... but then every time it executes the LIST command it gets hung for a couple minutes again... please give tips if anyone has encountered this problem before...
Thanks Again