I certainly believe that there are posters in this thread who do not know what they're talking about.

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Yup, I'm responding to one right now. People like you are one of the reasons that I didn't stay on this forum very long.

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Once again: the System76 Darter pro is the Clevo N151CU, which incidentally also is the Entroware Proteus (Entroware is another company that sells laptops with Linux pre-installed).
Take a look at the links from my previous post.
They clearly show that it is possible to install other OSs on this laptop.

Being the only one providing a fully working system for your hardware, preinstalled, is not the definition of vendor lock-in.
I can see how it can feel like it for users that are not advanced enough to perform certain low-level system installations themselves. But then again, a misbehaving keyboard backlight is NOT the same as "not working".
You also have to keep in mind that this hardware is fairly new and Linux in general is still catching up with it, or some of its components. Give it another year, you'll see Linux Mint flying on the Clevo N151CU!

It seems to me that system76, by providing completely FOSS firmware packages for it that can be installed on many OS besides Pop_OS, is rather ahead of the curve and by no means trying to lock its customers in, quite the opposite: it's doing the Linux community a favour because already now others are benefitting from their work. Example (again, the very hardware OP uses).

Now if you or OP could show us that system76's firmware packages are designed to keep users using system76's own OSs, please do.
An explanation of why system76 would do it (how they would gain from it) would also be appreciated.

All I see is a bunch of freely available, opensource drivers/firmware etc. for top-notch brand new Clevo laptops:
https://github.com/pop-os?q=system76+driver
Written in good ol' C, GUI utilities in Python.
Completely transparent, GPL'd. What is there to complain about?
People install other OSs on their Clevo laptops (and apparently it doesn't matter one bit whether it has the original BIOS/UEFI or Coreboot):
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php...6_Darter_Pro_6
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/System76_Oryx_Pro
https://support.system76.com/articles/install-ubuntu/

PS: I said system76 are asking too much for their hardware, but an initial comparison says not so:
https://system76.com/laptops/darp6/configure
https://clevo-computer.com/it/laptop...-thunderbolt-3
Both around 1000USD depending on your setup.

PPS: you have to separate firmware and OS in your statement, which, it seems to me, neither of you is doing.
It is somewhat excusable in this case because system76 do offer firmware packages, but technically vague.

PPPS: Just now I see that even system76 offer their devices with Ubuntu preinstalled, as an alternative to Pop_OS.

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Persistent little stinker, aren't you?

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Wow! "...little stinker.." was so offensive it warranted a warning? Ondoho was being constructive and not offensive? And being publicly chastised by a mod is also not offensive? What a hypocrite! Please remove me from your membership roles.

Just posting to say I found the review useful.
I have been considering a System76 laptop, so it is good to know that not everything will automatically work with other distros and will take some tinkering to get all the extras working. If I do get one, now I know to keep PopOS installed and just install the desktop I want to use unless I want to spend time bending it to my will.

You should re-read the LQ Rules that were agreed by you when joined LQ. Some do find that language offensive as do I. Yes, I am mod and you violated a LQ Rule thus the warning.

Please do not post anything off topic either or non-constructive.

^ It's just pretty new hardware.
I want to stress (again) that I'm not fanboying system76, but some of the statements in this thread are just too extreme - but then again, forcing me to take a closer look at the matter, I am quite impressed at how system76 are providing FOSS drivers - in the end, the whole Linux community benefits from this.

Nothing says "I'm unwilling to discuss the matter in a civilised manner, I just want to continue raving and ranting" like those two posts.
I truly hope you follow through with your implied promise to leave us alone.