Completely unsupported hardware support by Linux for ATOM Z3735G machine

Xeratul · 08-23-2015, 05:08 PM

Hello,

The machine running Debian or Ubuntu by default has no wireless, no touchscreen, no sd card, no audio,... ...well almost nothing works under Linux debian and ubuntu.

Linus has still a lot of work to manage audio, sd mmc,... acpi, battery support,...

This is valid even with one of the most recent kernel existing!!!

Please could you point out where are the possible drivers for Linux for each part of hardware?

So far, there is only the realtek wifi linux driver, which is very highly unstable.

Looking forward to hearing you.

Yours Sincerely

Code:

intel(r) atom(tm) cpu Z3735G @ 1,33Ghz 1.3GHZ
1,00 gb installiert ram arbespeciehr
systemtype 32-bit-betreibssystem, x64-basierter prozcessor

unterstuetzungs fuer geinschfareck toucheingabge fuer t 5touchpunkte 


acpi kontrolmelakontpuetiler akku 
  I2C Controller
  treiber microsoft 21.06.2006
  version 6.3.9600.16384
  windows system32 drivers battc.sys CmBatt.sys


audio video 
  intel SST audio device (WDM)
  intel
  27.06.2014
  603.9600.2801.45084  
  drivers in system32:
   dmk.sys
   isstrtc.sys
   portcls.sys
   realtek_fw_sst.bin
 32\msapofxproxy.dll

bluetooth 
  pfad 4097 (serial hci bus - bluetooth function)
  in drivers  treiber drivers bthmini.sys  bthport.sys
   in system32 fsquiert.exe
   winblue_rtm.130821-1623

acpi x86 based pc
 interl dma controleller fuer serielle E/A

hid
  einfuegegeraet fuer seitenband gpio schalflaechen
    micorsoft 21.06.2006 6.3... 16384
  hid konfomrer systemkontroller

  hid konformer toucscheren 
  KMDF HID Minidrier for touch I2C Device
  
hid konormes beuetzesetzergeraet
 
 kmdf hid minidriver for touch i2c device 
  silead
  i2c controller
   09.10.2014
  18.53.2.188
    c:\windows\system32\drivesr\mahidkmdf.sys
     sys32\drivers\sileadTouch.sys
    winblue_rtm.13021-1623

  treiber fuer gpio tasten

   
Intel HD Graphics
   pci-bus 0, geaet 2, funktion 0
   intel
  13.08.2014
  10.18.10.3910  
  commonefiles\intel\opencl\bin\x86\__ocl_svm_q8, n8, s9.dll
   ...


laufwerarf samasung AWMB3R

realtek rtl8723bs wireless lan 802.11n SDIO Network adapter

intel sd hostecontroller   
   sys32\rivers\dumped.sys  and sdbus.sys

kionix kxcj9 accelerometer SPB

einfacher geaetesauschritungssencisor
  kionix sensor fusion device

trusted platform module 2.0

lightweight sensosors root enumerator

sd specher
  sys32 drives  adator.sys


camera sensor gc310
camaerase sensor HM2056

enumerator ndis netwekersdapator

gpio controller

i2c controller 

intel 82802 firmwarehub

intel power management ic device
intel 


microsoft acpi konformes system

iwd bus enumerator
realtek bluetooth uart bus driver

stamm komplex fuer pci express 
umbus stamm busenumenrator
uart controller

intel usb 3.0 eXtensible hostonvctorller 0100 microsof
usb root hub xHCI
usb verbungeraet

goumba · 08-24-2015, 10:45 AM

I have a similar device, almost exact same hardware. I just admitted to the fact it's not going to be supported as soon as I like, and kept Windows 10 (came with 8.1) to keep it usable. Sometimes you have to make those decisions, if you're not able or willing to write the drivers yourself.

The fact of the matter is these things are going to take time.

My device is two years old and support has not come around to the point of it being usable. I'm not counting on it any time soon.

I got the best results out of Mint 14 on mine if you want to give it a shot, but battery live was still deplorable (then again with Windows 10 it's bad as well - two hours of regular use and it's dead). Everything but Bluetooth and WiFi worked reasonably well, although it did get rather hot. The latest Ubuntu worked as well.

Similar hardware, try this: http://www.benchadwick.com/2015/01/l...ws-8-1-system/

jefro · 08-24-2015, 02:30 PM

I'd start at the Intel site. Intel is one of the best companies for supporting linux and almost every device they sell has linux support.

We can almost assume that a system like this also supports android and it would be fully functional too. So I'd suspect that it could work under linux.

Yes, linux is not ever tested at the factory on these devices.

Xeratul · 08-24-2015, 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jefro

I'd start at the Intel site. Intel is one of the best companies for supporting linux and almost every device they sell has linux support.

We can almost assume that a system like this also supports android and it would be fully functional too. So I'd suspect that it could work under linux.

Yes, linux is not ever tested at the factory on these devices.

Are you just starting using Linux today? Linux has never ever had a good hardware support at all, rather the opposite.

Are you paid by MS-Windows or Android to make fake advertisments?

Android and Linux arent the same. Check a bit even the way the kernel compiled. You can sometimes uses a kernel from Android, sure. Fedora, Slax, Slack,... are brothers. Android is a far cousin.

onebuck · 08-24-2015, 05:28 PM

@Xeratul

You have been a member here at LQ long enough to realize that you must post a constructive respectful post when replying to members.
jefro was trying to help by pointing out that you could try Intel to see if there are available drivers for your hardware.

Attacking a fellow LQ member is not allowed.

Please reread LQ Rules to refresh your memory so that you do not violate the rules again

jefro · 08-24-2015, 07:17 PM

I think he's upset he can't get linux working on this.

Pretty sure I can get linux working on it if I had it in my little hands. If you wish to send it to me I'll play with it and see what I can do.

Sadly, I don't get paid advertise.

I have used linux for decades and totally agree with the statement that linux is not fully supported by hardware makers. Intel is one of those that do make an effort and a good one in my opinion. Their site is my number one starting place when I have an intel chip of any kind.

goumba · 08-24-2015, 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jefro

I think he's upset he can't get linux working on this.

Pretty sure I can get linux working on it if I had it in my little hands. If you wish to send it to me I'll play with it and see what I can do.

I got it working on a similar device, but like I said it was far from optimal. Nearly everything worked, just got hot and battery life was poor. If he's willing to be patient he'll be happy in time, I'm sure.

rtmistler · 08-25-2015, 06:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xeratul

Are you just starting using Linux today?

Seriously? I know onebuck has already chastised you, but the fact that they had to do this at all is pretty bad. Your comment about someone being paid to make false advertisements is very disrespectful as well as a huge stretch.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xeratul

Linux has never ever had a good hardware support at all, rather the opposite.

EXACTLY the opposite of what YOU think here. True that Linux started with a lot of difficulties, but to say that now, in the present day that it has never had good hardware support is ignorant. I personally do use Linux on devices like MIPS, ARM, and ATOM CPUs, have found that it works great, and many times have found that I also do not have to do special customizations to get it working.

Intel does provide support for Linux on their processors, they licensed the Poulsbo driver for the former ATOM series.

They designed the whole Bay Trail series specifically for tablets, but yes for Microsoft based tablets. That's their target market; however when a driver is written for the Bay Trail graphics processor scheme for Linux, I'm sure Intel will provide it on their website as they did the Poulsbo driver.

I suggest you do a general web search on how to install Linux on a Bay Trail series tablet, there seems to be a lot of postings out there which you can benefit from rather than just posting a complaint. People are saying to use former versions and not current versions of Linux, the main one is the 3.14 kernel seems to be a problem. However you should read and evaluate those things for yourself.

Xeratul · 08-25-2015, 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jefro

I'd start at the Intel site. Intel is one of the best companies for supporting linux and almost every device they sell has linux support.

We can almost assume that a system like this also supports android and it would be fully functional too. So I'd suspect that it could work under linux.

Yes, linux is not ever tested at the factory on these devices.

Sorry Jefro is you were offended. I meant that linux support, even intel, is not fabulous.

Linux is far behind Windows hardware support! The drivers of Windows are few files that rocks, really. It is impressive that since ever they put a lot of interest in hardware support.
Linux has nice desktops, but hardware support has always been of no single interests.

Windows users run away from Linux since of many problems that we never cared at all.
A giant gives an Android OS and it is a HIT, a revolution on this planet.

Come on, it could have been us, Linux, even with an ubuntu touch, I would have been very pleased. Not to see Android stuff.

Why there is UEFI by the way? This informatic world is so corrupted. You do not need war to make money. You can get rich with poor locked people.

btw, a bet,... the giant of hardware making such as Apple, Google/Android, Windows, are very likely to have your visa, or mastercard,... card number. Except the 3 digits. They cant use it, this is not legal. Google, FBI, Outlook.com,... spy you, lock you.
You need to register to

On Windows 8, go to try to use your Windows without Internet!!!!
Where is notepad? what about contacts in offline mode.... without internet: ... so not possible today!!

This world is completey corrupted, and all of us permit it !! What and pay for such hardware!! This is lazy or being doomed?

I can reverse SSH it if you'd like. First thing, was to make an image with dd !! Luckily.

-- more to post.

I was considering to put the kernel 3.14 of Linux mint and partition a self made live debian with partitions like xfce debian install cd.
Might be possible.... pitty no one did that! i cant believe it

Timothy Miller · 08-25-2015, 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rtmistler

Seriously? I know onebuck has already chastised you, but the fact that they had to do this at all is pretty bad. Your comment about someone being paid to make false advertisements is very disrespectful as well as a huge stretch.EXACTLY the opposite of what YOU think here. True that Linux started with a lot of difficulties, but to say that now, in the present day that it has never had good hardware support is ignorant. I personally do use Linux on devices like MIPS, ARM, and ATOM CPUs, have found that it works great, and many times have found that I also do not have to do special customizations to get it working.

Intel does provide support for Linux on their processors, they licensed the Poulsbo driver for the former ATOM series.

They designed the whole Bay Trail series specifically for tablets, but yes for Microsoft based tablets. That's their target market; however when a driver is written for the Bay Trail graphics processor scheme for Linux, I'm sure Intel will provide it on their website as they did the Poulsbo driver.

I suggest you do a general web search on how to install Linux on a Bay Trail series tablet, there seems to be a lot of postings out there which you can benefit from rather than just posting a complaint. People are saying to use former versions and not current versions of Linux, the main one is the 3.14 kernel seems to be a problem. However you should read and evaluate those things for yourself.

Played around with linux on a baytrail tablet, and have had several bay trail laptops, and in my experience, it can be made to work fairly well. The biggest thing I found was 3.18+ kernel worked MUCH, MUCH better for me. I had massive issues with 3.2-3.16, but when I moved to 3.18 things just started working. Obviously, OP's mileage may vary.

jefro · 08-25-2015, 04:12 PM

I wasn't upset. I understand that you are all worked up over this but LQ does try to keep it polite. Thanks for the apology.

It is always hard to make meaningful replies that convey only the correct information all the time.

Timothy Miller · 08-25-2015, 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xeratul

Linux is far behind Windows hardware support! The drivers of Windows are few files that rocks, really. It is impressive that since ever they put a lot of interest in hardware support.
Linux has nice desktops, but hardware support has always been of no single interests.

I definitely disagree. On my HP Stream laptop (baytrail, by the way), Windows performed BADLY. The touchpad was all but unusable the drivers were so poor, and the network wasn't fast or reliable. On linux (well, Debian at least), the wifi is fairly stable, and performance is decent given it's hardware limitations (2.4 GHz only single channel single antenna wireless-n) and the touchpad performs FLAWLESSLY.

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Why there is UEFI by the way? This informatic world is so corrupted.

IMO, because it's like a BILLION times better than BIOS+MBR. I've NEVER been so happy with pc's since UEFI. No more primary partition limitations, easier to boot to OS's, just in every way superior to the old BIOS+MBR, except the occassional manufacturers annoyances they do in their firmware. Even that I've been able to work around so far, just took time to figure out.

Quote:

On Windows 8, go to try to use your Windows without Internet!!!!
Where is notepad? what about contacts in offline mode.... without internet: ... so not possible today!!

Ummm, notepad still there, still works. Contacts are still there depending on how you set up your account. Everything you complain about is a default install. Same as many complaints about linux, it's a default install, you're not forced to use it that way. The ability to use Win8 fully offline is still there. Not that I support Windows, I hate the OS and upgraded to 10 just to get away from that excuse for a gui that was 8/8.1 even for how short a time I use it (start windows, start steam, play games. Soon as games done, reboot to linux).

ardvark71 · 12-30-2015, 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xeratul

Please could you point out where are the possible drivers for Linux for each part of hardware?

Hi...

I'm not sure if there are any available but if you would, please open a terminal and post the output of...

Code:

lspci -nnk

Thanks!

jefro · 12-30-2015, 10:54 PM

I studied this similar Atom build for making a small firewall appliance. After some research I did conclude that a number of web pages show that they have fooled the stupid uefi into working and some sites claim 100% working. Seems that is the biggest issue. Maybe sound was last.

Look at the intel stick computers and then maybe some pipo models web page searches for linux. Be sure to use the cpu model and linux too in a search for solutions.

asif_bahrainwala · 12-31-2015, 06:27 AM

Hey...thanks for the update. I dont have the device on me right now.....its an Iball i701 slide (with windows 8.1).
I managed to install ubuntu 14.04.3 (64-bit), I then installed debian 8.2 multi arch (this comes with 32/64 uefi support), I choose ubuntu from the grub loader ...but nothing else seems to work......which is why I want the link to drivers (Video , sound, wifi and touch)