I'm new to linux, and I'm learning, but it seems like everything in linux is "similar" to windows (at least in redhat). I don't think linux will ever lead in the OS race until they (all the linux programmers in the world) come up with something unique, completely different from windows and mac, yet easy to work with, and fun to use. just an idea for some of the linux programmers out there: command line/terminal programs + dragon speaking software = fun! i.e. no more zooming around with the mouse, launch programs from your kitchen just by saying open mp3 player, play (enter your song here). the technology is there, just some of you smarties out there need to put it together a create a "new" os instead of a windows wannabe. don't get me wrong I'm all about bringing down the microsoft monopoly (charging $400 for office programs, ridiculous - it's nice to see free, cheaper alternatives like sun microsystems StarOffice which is about $70 bucks or better yet OpenOffice $0 bucks). Somebody school me if I'm wrong..or see a huge flaw in my idea.

Yeah...go home to Windows.

What's with these people who begin by saying something like: "I'm new to linux..."...then go on to rant about the failings of Linux compared to Windows.

Get a life...you can begin by growing up...Linux isn't anything like Windows.

Never mind replying, anyone this ****** goes directly into my ignore list.

Lets keep it nice and clean, even though a post like this can cause problems, if you have nothing constructive to say, just ignore it and move on to the next thread..

waah,

anywho, maybe I didn't make myself clear, YES i am new to linux..I'm sorry you hate me for that. However, I wasn't knockin linux, I was suggesting an idea...why did i suggest it..hmm..because I'm new to linux and not fimilar with the inner workings. I know there are smarter people (well at least in programming) out there that can create something like this before..the microsoft empire can get it to market. My suggestion was only to improve linux, and make it "mainstream" rather than ranting about it's flaws.

Well just to set the record straight, nobody hates newbies. This is a very newbie friendly site as we try to help newbies. Read the top of the page on the title bar..

But ask yourself this question, Linux is different from Windows as its totally different, you just haven't experienced enough of it to realize that yet. Looks from the outside aren't the same from the inside.

ahh... don't judge a book by it's cover you say. I know the inner workings are different from windows, let me correct myself..I guess what I THINK should be different is the GUI, Gnome and KDE, instead of being windows like they should be windows different. for example get rid of the menu bar (mind you these are only ideas..proceed with caution ) just have a menu icon, click it..or open it verbally ..hehe..then select your program through the heirarchy as usual ...or say, if opening it verbally just say: open quake 3, and yes you'll have to use the pesky mouse to play...

...just looking to the future. [COLOR=red]

I didn't say anything vulgur, I just don't like to call people s**p*d...no matter how they seem.

What would you call someone who stood in the middle of a busy street, then complained when they got hit by a car?

There is a certain point at which you just have to shake your head.

Don't get me wrong, I am a newbie myself, and I have a lot of questions...but there's a big difference between having questions, and badmouthing something you haven't even given time to familiarize with.

There's a question of "maturity" there.

I absolutely agree.

Your judging only two desktops then, they might be the most popular but have you tried the dozen of others that don't necessarily have a menu bar, or iconless desktops.. ??

There are many alternatives to Linux, it does truly have more choices, even in Gnome you don't have to load the menu applet if you don't want to.. Try that in Windows..

I would have to agree though with Nu-Bee, your post was way too premature to start judging just by only seeing Gnome and KDE...

Well to all, I apologize for being quick to judge, I guess I am just tired of seeing "windows" and "windows-like" programs. I'm looking for something new. maybe some of you can suggest alternatives rather than tell me how immature and stupid I am, cause wouldn't that be the mature thing to do? I'm hoping for something new in the future, something completely different, and I don't want microsoft to get there first...well as Nu-bee said..I guess I'll "go home to windows" at least for today

I have something to say.
I want to give an example.

Why Java language use exactly C/C++ syntex??
Java designers could make the Java language unique by using the entirely defferent syntex and this is extremely easy. But they didn't make it and decided to follow the C++. Because these days C/C++ is the main language and every programmers are using it. By following it, Java language could be faster wide-spread and programmers could easily migrate from C++ to Java smoothly without learning new Syntex.
This is one of the key-point of the success of Java.

Same thing, to design the completely different user interface from windows is extremely easy. But following the windows user interface standard could attrack more people from windows to migrate to Linux smoothly. It's the same strategy with Java.

Absolutely agree, it is not how it looks it is how it ticks!!!

Were not saying your stupid and immature, were stating your judgement on KDE and Gnome ( not Linux ) are premature. I feel you were only judging Gnome and KDE, not Linux.

If you want something totally different, you can try something like Blackbox, Fluxbox, Enlightenment, Sawfish.. etc.. As your GUI Window Manager or Desktop environment...

I don't remember Windows having more than one windows manager to choose from.

Sometimes people -need- to be told when they are being unreasonable...it's part of the maturing/learning process.

Since this is the 'general' forum...

Society in the U.S. has become -too- sensitive to criticism.

A related problem we are having in the U.S....<some>people are -afraid- to start businesses anymore...they know that there's -someone- out there who will sue them for some stupid thing just as soon as they begin making money.

Stupidity & greed has wrecked the U.S...it's just a matter of time now.

<Hmm?...how'd I get here?>