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09-05-2004, 02:56 PM
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LQ Newbie
Registered: Jun 2004
Location: Santa Barbara,CA
Distribution: SuSE Linux 9.1
Posts: 14
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My Linux Rant
OK.Let me start by saying love Linux. It is a superb oprerating system. I have no complaint about it's base capabililtite's. In many ways it is far sur superior to Windows XP which in my opinion is by far the most user friendly OS on the the market in a tie with OSX. This OS (LINUX) has great potentiel. I do have a few problems with it thogh. Leet me outline l and get your opininion. Be aware I'm not really all that much off of af a newbie. I've been running SuSE or Manderake for a few years now.
1.No unified media player (like Windos Media Player)
2.NO GOOD WEB BROWSER
No GOOD web browser(Opera is as close as it gets) Anything based on thr Gecko enginge sucks(Just like Netscape always has)
3,No Intergration
When I install a Plugins I don't want to spesify a pa th that I don't even know to insstall it.
What's with the tag.gxs
I dont even like Red Hat but at least it came with an with an easy way to insatll software.
Imy sound like an idiot but I'm sorry. I'm a computer geek and this Linux stuff is a litttle hard to me. How are are gonna expect Joe Public who doesn't even know how to set the time on his VCR to figure it out
By the the way lose Debian. That is the way wrong Distro to be teaching newbies..
Pleasr don't flame me. I'm not picking on Linux. It"s all I use. These are just some changes I would like to see.
Britton
Last edited by atmckd; 09-05-2004 at 03:12 PM.
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09-05-2004, 02:59 PM
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LQ Newbie
Registered: Jun 2004
Location: Santa Barbara,CA
Distribution: SuSE Linux 9.1
Posts: 14
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Sorry abou the typos, I've have had a few drinks. Ok More than a few drinks.. I'm sorry. I'm just frustrated, So much potential and the little things seem so hard. By the way, are they ever going to ever make a legal DVD player for this OS?
Last edited by atmckd; 09-05-2004 at 03:07 PM.
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09-05-2004, 03:05 PM
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LQ Guru
Registered: Jan 2001
Posts: 24,149
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Moved: Rants belong in General, not Linux - General.
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09-05-2004, 03:08 PM
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LQ Newbie
Registered: Jun 2004
Location: Santa Barbara,CA
Distribution: SuSE Linux 9.1
Posts: 14
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Gotcha. Sorry, I.m sort of a newbie here.
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09-05-2004, 03:19 PM
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LQ Guru
Registered: Jan 2001
Posts: 24,149
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Quote:
Originally posted by atmckd
Gotcha. Sorry, I.m sort of a newbie here.
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Being a newbie has nothing to do with placing your threads in the most appropiate forum, I would think common sense does that for you.
Regards.
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09-05-2004, 03:44 PM
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Senior Member
Registered: Jul 2003
Location: So. Cal.
Distribution: Slack 11
Posts: 1,737
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Re: My Linux Rant
Quote:
Originally posted by atmckd
OK.Let me start by saying love Linux. It is a superb oprerating system. I have no complaint about it's base capabililtite's. In many ways it is far sur superior to Windows XP which in my opinion is by far the most user friendly OS on the the market in a tie with OSX. This OS (LINUX) has great potentiel. I do have a few problems with it thogh. Leet me outline l and get your opininion. Be aware I'm not really all that much off of af a newbie. I've been running SuSE or Manderake for a few years now.
1.No unified media player (like Windos Media Player)
2.NO GOOD WEB BROWSER
No GOOD web browser(Opera is as close as it gets) Anything based on thr Gecko enginge sucks(Just like Netscape always has)
3,No Intergration
When I install a Plugins I don't want to spesify a pa th that I don't even know to insstall it.
What's with the tag.gxs
I dont even like Red Hat but at least it came with an with an easy way to insatll software.
Imy sound like an idiot but I'm sorry. I'm a computer geek and this Linux stuff is a litttle hard to me. How are are gonna expect Joe Public who doesn't even know how to set the time on his VCR to figure it out
By the the way lose Debian. That is the way wrong Distro to be teaching newbies..
Pleasr don't flame me. I'm not picking on Linux. It"s all I use. These are just some changes I would like to see.
Britton
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1. Unified Media player? Why would you want that? When you say unified do you mean built in to the OS?
2. Thats Rediculous. Opera and Mozilla are both great and there are many other Web browsers available, perhaps you have not expored them all.
3. Well thats just a little quirk that has to be dealt with. Its not that big a deal.
How many distros have you tried?
Linux is not easy and its not a plug and play OS. It all depends on the person and how much time is given to learning it. I have been running linux for a while now and theres a lot I dont know just because I dont have the time to horse around with it yet.
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09-05-2004, 05:49 PM
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Member
Registered: May 2003
Location: S.W. Ohio
Distribution: Ubuntu, OS X
Posts: 760
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1) Why would we want mediaplayer when there are better ones.
2) As BajaNick stated, there are better ones than IE.
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3,No Intergration
When I install a Plugins I don't want to spesify a pa th that I don't even know to insstall it.
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3) You have never had to do that in windows? If you don't know how, then by all means ask. Simple as that.
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09-05-2004, 05:58 PM
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LQ Guru
Registered: Dec 2002
Distribution: Gentoo!
Posts: 1,153
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atmckd, is IE a good webbrowser? Pop-ups, no tabs, active-x, etc... Also, a lot of distros now have great ways to install software which I feel is vastly superior to windows. If i want to install mozilla in windows I have to go online, download the version, open it, go through the menus, delete the installer, with gentoo i just type 'emerge mozilla' or debian 'apt-get install mozilla'
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09-05-2004, 10:52 PM
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Senior Member
Registered: Dec 2003
Distribution: Debian
Posts: 3,178
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Linux is just fine for me.
It's just that some concepts like built-in browsers, unified/integrated plugins, centralized registry etc. should be thrown out of the window(s) ( pardon the pun).
I have just now got my Linux to work with my ATI Radeon 9600 Pro card and have installed UT2004 and it is just fine (though the fps is slightly lesser than in Windows). Never had a problem with software in Linux.
99% of all Linux problems are hardware related and that's not Linux's fault. Blame all these hardware and OEM vendors for not releasing official Linux drivers. They just pretend that Linux doesn't exist.
As for the media player, I use gmplayer (mplayer gui) and it's great... (although needs some work with the playlist editing, proper equalizer and all).
Web browsing? I never do web browsing in Linux. But Mozilla is good enough even in Windows. Never know why anyone would use IE (unless they specially want to browse pages with ActiveX stuff).
Any other problems? I love Linux because I just got it to work with all my hardware. Even my on-board sound (NVIDIA Soundstorm) worked on the fly without me having to install any drivers.
Linux about 4 years ago: absolute nonsense!
Linux today: Great!
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09-05-2004, 11:35 PM
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Senior Member
Registered: Jul 2003
Posts: 1,257
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mplayer, mozilla, yum
1. mplayer handles so many formats, it seems quite unified to me.
2. I don't know what sucks about mozilla...yes, I know people who say that opera is better, haven't tried it
3. I installed the mplayer plugin for mozilla using yum....I didn't have to specify any paths....
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09-05-2004, 11:48 PM
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Member
Registered: Sep 2003
Location: Alabama
Distribution: Blag, Fedora core 1 and 2, Clarck Connect
Posts: 70
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I agree with the majority here. I use Forefox. I use it on my Fedora box and on my daughters XP box. I can't stand IE.
As far as media players. I use Mplayer, Xine, Peal player 10. When I used windows I did not like windows media player. I used it with a few others as well.
As far as specifing paths, personally I like it. Thats one of the problems I see with windows. You don't see what's being installed and where it all goes. Can make it hell to remove. But the viruses like not having to ask you where to install.
I'm not a windows hater, I just don't use it.
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09-06-2004, 12:59 AM
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Senior Member
Registered: Jun 2003
Distribution: Mint 13/15, CentOS 6.4
Posts: 2,020
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it's kind of weird to hear someone blame a browser on linux. linux has all the browsers windows has (and a lot more), except for IE. so what you seem to be saying is: "linux sucks because it doesn't run IE." ? aside from the fact that, as everyone else has pointed out, IE is probably the WORST browser out there -- with no tabs, no extensions, no adherence to web standards, and massive security holes -- it just strikes me as a strange thing to say.
and the same for media players, with linux having a host of different ones. mplayer and xine are both better than WMP. and if you don't like either one of those (which is hard to believe), there's totem, kaffeine, and who knows what else. so you're ranting because linux has better media players and a wider selection? again, it seems like a strange comment to make, including about "integration." install any major distro and you get at least *some* sort of media player, and often more than one. so what exactly are you "ranting" about? i don't get it.
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09-06-2004, 01:37 AM
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Senior Member
Registered: Dec 2003
Distribution: Debian
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If Linux cannot handle your hardware.... I can understand.
If you have difficulty configuring a web server or something.... I can understand.
If you have difficulty in using Linux-Windows interconnectivity (Samba).... I can understand.
But just having a problem with a browser or a media player on Linux???
What's all that about?
These are very minor issues. I'm sure that there's somebody out there creating a better browser and a better media player for Linux. Just install what you want and go ahead. Don't bother with the stuff that you don't need.
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09-06-2004, 05:44 PM
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LQ Guru
Registered: Apr 2003
Location: nottingham england
Distribution: Gentoo
Posts: 2,672
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lol... no decent web browsers.. ? Firefox, cos lets face it, only an idiot would choose IE over firefox.
no unified media player.... isnt that great ! freedom of choice !
as for the pluggin things.. firefox auto installed it pluggins just fine.
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09-06-2004, 07:28 PM
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Registered: Jun 2004
Location: Australia
Distribution: Mandriva/Slack - KDE
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You can run all sorts of browsers on linux. Yes, even IE if you are so inclined. I have IE available on my mandrake 10, but don't run it. It's a leftover from the MS Office install It is there, tho, on the very rare occasion you need to visit an IE only site. I usually avoid such. Did have to go to a IE uni site for my son once tho...
firefox/mozilla/opera beat IE anyway and IE is a generation behind.
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