The title is certainly clickbait but I copied it directly from the title of this very interesting video. The video is very wide in scope mainly that of back story, namely actual History. So it points out the value commonly cliched by the phrase "Those who don't know History are destined to repeat it" as well as the very important global issue that many nation leaders are old and out of touch with how the world has changed and is changing.

Examples of this can be viewed in the large number of companies making vast sums of money by data mining you, their users and anyone else they can grab. That was unimaginable just 20 years ago when Amazon was still just online book sales. The importance of cybersecurity and cyberwarfare was similarly unimaginable just 40 years ago, excepting a very few cutting edge geeks.

The salient point is any leader cannot fix a problem that he/she can't even identify or even be aware of.

Check this out for one historical POV.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhMAt3BluAU

Enjoy or be afraid, you choose.

Thanks, but I don't have 69 minutes to spare right now. I was confused by two points you made

• Those who don't learn from history are condemned to repeat it - with which I agree.
• Anyone who doesn't stay abreast of developments will get left behind by the pacxe of progress - with which I again agree

The natural conclusion is that man is not very good at governing himself, which is a point I have made but have only been attacked for making it. It's nice to see you coming closer to my position

Governance evolves and has gone through stages over time. During our Hunter-Gatherer stage, the need for governance was minimal as nomadic needs are very simple. Once Agriculture caused settlement with the concomitant gathering and storing of supplies in one area, the opportunity to raid and the opposing need to defend increased the role of government which started basically as Protection/Aggression - safety in numbers. This took a major quantum leap as infrastructure needs grew along with the ability to not only gather wealth, but create it and the commerce to support it. This led to the "Walk softly but carry a big stick" era. We are somewhat in transition from that paradigm since it is safer and most often more practical to minimize military violence and promote trade. One growing aspect of this is the transition from "boots on the ground" to cyber-warfare and economic sanctions.

Currently we are in a huge paradigm transition commonly called The Information Age. Transitions are unstable and difficult at least they have historically been so as seen in the transition from Hunter-Gatherer to Agricultural, and from Agricultural to Industrial. There is a decent 1980 book on these transitions by Alvin Toffler entitled Third Wave, a follow up to Future Shock and continued in more depth (and with the benefit of 26 years of progression) in Revolutionary Wealth (2006).

The points of the video are global and really, aside from the clickbait value, Trump is really only an example of a 2nd Wave leader during a 3rd Wave era. He seems attractive in the way old school, strutting, blustery and defiant leaders of old, like, say Mussolini for one example, were. However he was and is basically a fish out of water, a man whose time has passed. Unfortunately, Biden is no example of the sort we actually need during such a time of transition. By nature, and with considerable good reason, government is slow to change. I sincerely hope we are able to adapt sooner rather than later.

enorbet, for what its worth the larger shift is going to be (eventually) away from centralized and towards decentralized, from larger and monopolistic towards smaller and independent or semi independent. In the US, Jeffersonian style (aka Thomas Jefferson) but with less agrarian dependency will be more akin to what is unfolding. First the old has to be exposed and implode on its own failed policies and ideals, hence the current printing of money like its water etc...

People either already are or soon will start to realize they want freedom and independence, not corporate and/or government control. Good thing about tyranny is that it wakes people up to how bad it really is. Left/Right paradigm is a lie, both are wings of the same bird.

Here we go again... another pointless trump thread with yet the same political nonsense.

I'm not sure how anyone can judge biden's performance just yet, since he's not even been in office for 3 months. And haven't we seen and heard enough about trump and his failings by now ?

"Do not turn to the right or the left," it says somehere in some large and ancient book.

"There will always be naysayers," but I paraphrase.

In the end, there will be a domino effect for all who try to hold on to the old ways. They are being swept away now (the old ways, that is)

@ChuangTzu -- Good point about money(changers).

+1 business_kid (it is an ironic handle that you have- lol)

There's a personal story behind that, but it was funny at the time. I found it useful, because people took me seriously because of the 'business' bit in it. I'll have to tell you the story over PM if you want it.

Interesting response, ChuangTzu, and your mention of decentralization causes me to wonder how much effect over time cryptocurrency may ultimately have starting some sort of avalanche. Thanks.

TYhat said, it is a bit disturbing to see that it appears great numbers of Chinese citizens are at least content to give up liberty for the comfort of improved economic wealth, and I doubt they are alone, since that seems to be exactly what the republic is successfully employing to entice other nations to give up key locations and infrastructure.

??? Did you actually watch the video? As far as I can see there is extremely little politics in the whole video. Plus, as I already mentioned, Trump is not a major player in that video as he is just one of many noted who don't understand what is really going on in global economics just like them. Actually, I think one point of the video is, if I may paraphrase and old cliche, "the $DOLLAR is more powerful than the sword". Economics rules.

I have no interest in watching political videos, or videos with political themes in them. If this thread was really supposed to be about "economics" rather than politics, then the thread title is pretty misleading.

In any case, haven't we flogged the horse enough by now? The next US presidential election isn't until 2024, so biden has barely even had a chance to do much of anything, trump isn't even an elected politician anymore. So can't your country just move on, at least until it's time to elect whatever other clown takes biden's place in 2024?

Not to mention that the best of governments could not have predicted covid coming along, which was undoubtedly the reason the US economy went into decline (the same as virtually, if not, every other economy around the world). Since that was one of the very, very few positives trump could actually claim credit for. In any case, your country is stuck with the current clown in biden until 2024, so it's pretty pointless flogging a dead horse they call trump. Just get over it.

Since this thread is about that video, it can be justified to use the same title as the video, even if it's a stupid title.

A fact acknowledged in the very first sentence of the opening post, and re-iterated in post #3.


It was absolutely predictable. The reason there's a conspiracy theory involving Bill Gates is precisely because he's been warning of this for years. This is from 2016:
(But that is veering off-topic for a thread about a video published before the world knew about COVID-19, so any further discussion on that subject should be a new thread, to hopefully avoid this one being derailed.)

Do you really expect anyone to take your comments in this thread seriously based on your assumption of what the video is about that you chose not to view? That seems careless and presumptuous to say the least. Seriously, drop the assumption of "dead horse" politics and watch even 5 minutes of a very interesting video and come back. I truly think you will be surprised and maybe even pleased.

Well, you'll just have to forgive me boughtonp. Like most others here, when I see a thread, it's the thread title that is the primary indicator of what the thread is about. So it's entirely reasonable to think that this thread was about politics since trump's name is a part of the thread title, that does not have the word "economics" in it. The same as if someone posts a technical thread with a title like "Help Me!!!"; that is a very bad title for good reason; because it says nothing about what their question/problem is, and therefore people are likely to skip over it - that's why it's well advised to have a far more descriptive thread title.

I should not have to, and will not watch a Youtube video or go to another site just to decipher what the thread is supposed to be about. So I maintain what I said, no need to make a federal case out of it.

Well yes and no, but it isn't that simple. There is something called "actionable intelligence", which means you not only know the "what" in advance, you also know the "who", "when" and "where" in advance. In other words, some very broad statement from some billionaire doesn't tell you that a virus called "covid19" was going to start in China and spread around the world on X date. If it were that simple, then governments likely would have closed borders and banned all travel to and from China, along with isolating anyone who made it across the border beforehand, and not allowed them to leave their place of quarantine until they'd given a negative result.


Yes, which is exactly why I won't be debating it any further in this thread. So glad we agree on something.

Although, I'm a tad curious as to why you are being so pedantic since, this isn't even your thread, and I wasn't even responding to you? But you can take that as rhetorical question, that said.

No, I made that assumption based on the thread title, not on the video linked. Trump is a dead horse unless he, and god forbid, becomes the next US president after biden's current term finishes.

As I said above, I'm not going to watch a video or go to another site just to try and understand what a thread is supposed to be about. If you want to discuss it, then go right ahead, nothing wrong with that. But why can't you just use words instead, rather then me having to watch some video?

Fascinating stuff. Thanks for sharing