The Faith & Religion mega Thread

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Originally Posted by enorbet Originally Posted by Physics.org see the strength of conclusion in the result

Huh?

Originally Posted by ntubski Huh?

Yeah I know... strength of conclusions is kinda dangling there isn't it? What he means is that if one assumes the results one is looking for is incorrect or even inaccurate and checks the data for how many times it did or even apparently can come out to falsify the hoped for and/or expected results, one would only see that variation from positive one time in 3.5 million times. That's why I gave the rolling dice example but mathematically 1 in 3,500,000 isn't quite like the way most folks think of odds. If you knew the odds were 1 in 2 (50%) for an event, given enough events you could rightly expect an even split. It isn't quite that direct in probability mathematics but it's close. Scientists do like to split hairs in the effort for precision.

Originally Posted by jsbjsb001 Now that we've gotten "scientific theories" out of the way thanks to ntubski, and "theory" out of the way thanks to enorbet... I'll let you know when their done

Originally Posted by jsbjsb001 Originally Posted by BW-userx View Post ... this is why all of mankind has what is called, faith, and the ability to use faith. I bet you even you use faith, and may not even know you're applying faith in your everyday life, from time to time. It really depends on the context you're saying that in...

The context it refers to is every day life, one puts faith into something or someone, it is a basic human ability. Everybody has this ability. same as hope, and the need for truth. God created mankind He is the truth... without the completeness of the truth, you are only living a lie about oneself.

Originally Posted by jsbjsb001 Which is just a theory without proof... I think there may well be some that might not totally agree with you there... Looks like I'm screwed then... Carry on...

So, if all "truth" takes is a bunch of people to "believe" whatever,,, what do these pages read about yous*‽

Religion in nothing but more war, fu!

that is the problem ' people just believe whatever... like you...

Originally Posted by BW-userx that is the problem ' people just believe whatever... like you...

I believe in healthy eating, living and letting live!

Where I'm programmed to believe in whatever* you're programmed to believe*** in actual fairy tales like living forever &sh! Or, overseas with their "fairies" and "gnomes" &c. Ironically your kind seek to "civilize" "savages" but the more civilized yet now must seek to destroy you to 2.0 and Beyond...

• Religion will never, with a fact, answer this question: why are there more than one religions‽

Fact is, I don't need to prove it. Learning the helpful facts along the way is different than starving on purpose or just being racist towards other religions; when they're all wrong but some morals and facts...

Fairy tales always have the opposite of a happy-endings as well so don't believe whatever just because Mommy and Daddy told you so! Evolve you know you want to...

Originally Posted by BW-userx that is the problem ' people just believe whatever... like you...

Are we still in the elementary school, sir? Jamison has a point, by reminding us that religions (among other things), being fundamentally divisive, have always entertained close ties with wars. I'm not saying that it has always been the case, but it is undeniable that history has been providing enough examples.

You keep talking about truth, truth, truth, and you don't even know what a fact is, what a scientific theory is, what science tout court is. But that doesn't matter, you keep typing on your computer based on scientific theories, based on facts. You keep typing things such as «theories do not use facts, nor do facts use theories», without even realizing how asinine your words sound. You're showing us that your mind didn't go a single inch beyond the usual, stale clichés, which have been corrected millions of times, several times on this thread, the last one a few hours ago.

And yet, you keep talking about truth, truth, truth, whatever that means for you. You keep babbling your death sentences, to the same people who are trying to help you fix your intentional ignorance, and you virtually send them out to your favourite ethernal torture resort. Without even realizing that this makes you look like the worst, the most grotesque caricature of an angry preacher, who finds relief in his own Schadenfreude.

Originally Posted by jamison20000e I believe in healthy eating, living and letting live! Where I'm programmed to believe in whatever* you're programmed to believe*** in actual fairy tales like living forever &sh! Or, overseas with their "fairies" and "gnomes" &c. Ironically your kind seek to "civilize" "savages" but the more civilized yet now must seek to destroy you to 2.0 and Beyond... Religion will never, with a fact, answer this question: why are there more than one religions‽ Fact is, I don't need to prove it. Learning the helpful facts along the way is different than starving on purpose or just being racist towards other religions; when they're all wrong but some morals and facts...

everything you said in this post is what you believe, it definitely does not make it a truth in all that you said. the part that is not a truth is a lie. As a direct result of it, you are now subjecting yourself into believing in lies.

I never asked you to prove anything to me, it seems to always be you trying to disprove something, and as far as more than one religion, again you falter and believe in what others way, there is only ONE religion, the others are all just part of ones belief system, like yours.

Eat good, be happy , and nice to others, and live and let live,some even preach to hate and kill and blame it on god, so they do not have to take the blame for their own actions.

Originally Posted by Philip Lacroix Are we still in the elementary school, sir? Jamison has a point, by reminding us that religions (among other things), being fundamentally divisive, have always entertained close ties with wars. I'm not saying that it has always been the case, but it is undeniable that history has been providing enough examples.

apparently so. Man can pervert everything he touches. Religions, there is only one true religion. Buddhism is not a religion it is a belief in a man and what he had to say, He was not a GOD.

as stated in another post people kill and transfer the blame to God to take it off of them so they do not have to take personal responsibly for there own actions. the ole he made me do it ploy. yeah I'd say pre-elementary school for some. come on really? that is too simple to figure out.

Without you giving examples I con only speculate what you're referring to, so I'll stop then in this part of my reply.
but people who do not believe in God the are mostly just looking for reasons not to, so they just keep finding reasons not to or make them up as they go.

Originally Posted by Philip Lacroix You keep talking about truth, truth, truth, and you don't even know what a fact is, what a scientific theory is, what science tout court is. But that doesn't matter, you keep typing on your computer based on scientific theories, based on facts. You keep typing things such as «theories do not use facts, nor do facts use theories», without even realizing how asinine your words sound.

the word theory tells it all , it is not an idea of what might be TRUTH. when it is proven beyond a shadow of a doubt then it stops being a theory.

theory is just an unproven idea. Period I do not care what they tag in from of it. the word theory tells it all.

Originally Posted by Philip Lacroix You're showing us that your mind didn't go a single inch beyond the usual, stale clichés, which have been corrected millions of times, several times on this thread, the last one a few hours ago.

me? what about this?

fairies, spaghetti monster, and the ole stand by, God is all about war and killing people. that non believers use.

them people sure do love pulling them cards out and waving them around. showing they have NO understanding of themselves or others. what wars .. all I ever hear is that is generalized statement about a word that spells GOD.

it may be whatever wars you and others like you keep talking about, because I have yet to see anyone sighting exactly that they are talking about, always being vague about it.


ww1 WW2 the Korean war? the Spanish American war, The Great Northern War, The War of the Quadruple Alliance, The War of the Austrian Succession, Franco-German War, Boxer Rebellion, Herero Wars, the list goes on and on.

what wars are you talking about????

not even taking into account that it was not God that did the killing but people killing others and using the "name" God to justify there killing of other people.

denial and projection. transferring of blame, basic psychological behavior. Because everyone wants to be right in what they do, even if it means blaming the other guy to stay in the right. and in some cases they use Gods name, God to do it and that is not even His real Name.

man can justify himself in all he does, for example,
I killed him because I did not like the way he parted his hair.

He has now justified what he did.

Originally Posted by Philip Lacroix And yet, you keep talking about truth, truth, truth, whatever that means for you. You keep babbling your death sentences, to the same people who are trying to help you fix your intentional ignorance, and you virtually send them out to your favourite ethernal torture resort. Without even realizing that this makes you look like the worst, the most grotesque caricature of an angry preacher, who finds relief in his own Schadenfreude.

as stated everyone that I've seen in here that is a none believer hates the truth and does not come in here to even try to learn about Christianity but destroy it.

so some say if I do not believe then I go to hell, and I say yes. because that is the truth.

that is not me spreading hate. you see the truth as hate, and not love and I did not do that to you, you did that to yourself.

Schadenfreude
pleasure derived by someone from another person's misfortune.

what is yours and the others misfortune are you know trying to reference to justify that statement. Where is the logic in that? That makes no sense whatsoever.

so now you are saying all that do not believe in God are the misfortune ones. You must be for that statement to hold any kind of validity to itself.
again, the only thing I've ever seen in here from them that choose not to believe by there own freewill without actually investigating what Jesus is really about, because it shows in what they and you have said, do nothing but try to get me and others to not believe that there is a God, let along believe in God.

I have not met one in here that actually wants to believe in God or even try to, it is all hate, therefore scoff about something they do not understand, and it just happens to go by the name, God.

BW, given as Philip Lacroix among others have quite correctly pointed out, you seem to be intentionally conflating "theory" with "fact" and "truth", there really is no point in continuing this discussion with you, other than to say (once again); "theory" does NOT necessarily equal "fact" or "truth", they are NOT the same things. And as long as you continue to conflate those three things, then you are doomed to be blind to the "truth". To use the example enorbet gave about "Jesus" (and which I totally agree with for that matter); it's a fair bet that "Jesus" was indeed a real person, this does NOT mean it's a "fact" or "truth" that he "walked on water", it does NOT mean it's a "fact" or "truth" that he was/is the "son of god". The latter two are THEORIES that DO NOT necessarily mean "fact" or "truth". A "fact" can be PROVEN, and therefore becomes a "truth", you CANNOT prove that "god" is real, and therefore it hasn't yet been established as a "fact", let alone a "truth". Do you understand that ?

I would also suggest to you that if you want people to take you seriously; then repeating the same nonsense over and over again isn't going to do that, and will do quite the opposite instead. And it appears to me that you have done quite the opposite, and people ARE NOT agreeing with you, let alone believing you. And it does NOT mean you are not entitled to your beliefs either, nor does it mean nobody else is.

In any case, I'm done discussing it with you when you want to misquote what I said to suit your own argument, and continue to conflate different concepts. So while I can't promise to never reply to this thread ever again, I DO promise to take a lessoned interest in it.

I'd hoped to make it clear that Mathematics demonsstrates the nature of real Truth and Certainty and it does this by restricting the area of a concept to one that can be completely known. That Math starts with an identity (1 = 1) and proceeds in almost painfully small steps (1 + 1 = 2) demonstrates that there are no variables at all in such simple relationships. In the larger world we live in, though mathematics is everywhere and can describe everything, variables do exist because subjects and events more complex than 1 + 1, one good example being atmospheric weather, are so complex that all we can hope for presently is Probability since it is not restricted and controlled as simpler subjects and events.

Absolute Proof and Certainty exists in Mathematics. It is very hard to come by out here in the world but just how high a percentage of likelihood do you require to consider it factual? If you answer, :Well 99% is pretty darn close to 100% so I'd accept that as a pretty safe bet". Now multiply that out. Try 99.99999999%. Is that not close enough for any and everyone? Many scientific theories have that level of reliability. Time and size affect things like events and possible events but numbers mean exactly the same thing regardless of size or Time. There are no pink elephants. That is only a certainty if we stipulate "right now" and "on Earth". We cannot assume there will never be pink elephants at some time or in some place.

Why is it that some people feel the need for 100% certainty to consider a thing a Fact? or worse, accept as Fact things with less than 1% probability? <facepalm>

Good summary. Regarding this:

Originally Posted by enorbet Why is it that some people feel the need for 100% certainty to consider a thing a Fact? or worse, accept as Fact things with less than 1% probability?

Double standards, a chronical disease. Besides, with respect to certain matters, some individuals prefer to keep hovering over the waters, contemplating their own reflection, instead of plunging just a little below the surface, where difficult but interesting things happen.