The Faith & Religion mega Thread

Originally Posted by jsbjsb001 BW, given as Philip Lacroix among others have quite correctly pointed out, you seem to be intentionally conflating "theory" with "fact" and "truth", there really is no point in continuing this discussion with you, other than to say (once again); "theory" does NOT necessarily equal "fact" or "truth", they are NOT the same things. And as long as you continue to conflate those three things, then you are doomed to be blind to the "truth".

the fact that you and others are always redefining what man has already defined just to suit your needs its no wonder you're in the state of mind you and the others are in.

the·o·ry /ˈTHirē/ Learn to pronounce noun noun: theory; plural noun: theories a supposition or a system of ideas intended to explain something, especially one based on general principles independent of the thing to be explained. "Darwin's theory of evolution" synonyms: hypothesis, thesis, conjecture, supposition, speculation, postulation, postulate, proposition, premise, surmise, assumption, presumption, presupposition, notion, guess, hunch, feeling, suspicion; More

that clearly states a Theory is not a truth. It seems what scientists do because in this article even they admit that their theories can never be proven as a truth. So they redefine to make it look like a truth in hopes that others will believe what they are telling them as a truth.

Scientists gradually approach the truth, by refining and adapting theories, whilst understanding that they will never find perfect proof.

https://explorable.com/truth-and-theory

that still does not make what they purpose a truth. it stays in and as a theory, therefore by the definition of theory it is NOT a truth. Bending a truth to make it look like a truth so in hopes others will try and accept it as a truth does not make it a truth. therefore even in science it stays a theory. something that is not a truth.

Originally Posted by jsbjsb001 To use the example enorbet gave about "Jesus" (and which I totally agree with for that matter); it's a fair bet that "Jesus" was indeed a real person, this does NOT mean it's a "fact" or "truth" that he "walked on water", it does NOT mean it's a "fact" or "truth" that he was/is the "son of god". The latter two are THEORIES that DO NOT necessarily mean "fact" or "truth". A "fact" can be PROVEN, and therefore becomes a "truth", you CANNOT prove that "god" is real, and therefore it hasn't yet been established as a "fact", let alone a "truth". Do you understand that ?

here you are misquoting what was written about Jesus.

Matthew 14:25;26

Shortly before dawn Jesus went out to them, walking on the lake. When the disciples saw him walking on the lake, they were terrified. “It’s a ghost,” they said, and cried out in fear.

Mark

47 Later that night, the boat was in the middle of the lake, and he was alone on land. 48 He saw the disciples straining at the oars, because the wind was against them. Shortly before dawn he went out to them, walking on the lake. He was about to pass by them, 49 but when they saw him walking on the lake, they thought he was a ghost. They cried out, 50 because they all saw him and were terrified.

That clearly states 'walking on the lake' a lake consists of water. There is nothing in that that says the contrary.

talk about perverting the truth.

The proof of Gods existence is all around you. It is only mans theories of how we got here and everything else that man uses to try and prove otherwise. You people fight until death trying to disprove Gods existence. Always twisting the truth of what the bible says about God.

Just like the Jesus didn't walk on water,when it clearly states He did.

Originally Posted by jsbjsb001 I would also suggest to you that if you want people to take you seriously; then repeating the same nonsense over and over again isn't going to do that, and will do quite the opposite instead. And it appears to me that you have done quite the opposite, and people ARE NOT agreeing with you, let alone believing you. And it does NOT mean you are not entitled to your beliefs either, nor does it mean nobody else is.

that is just a statement to try and get me to change my story to better suit you. Which would require me to denounce the existence of God which you and others do. I will not do that to make you more agreeable with what I say.

Originally Posted by jsbjsb001 In any case, I'm done discussing it with you when you want to misquote what I said to suit your own argument, and continue to conflate different concepts. So while I can't promise to never reply to this thread ever again, I DO promise to take a lessoned interest in it.

misquote what in particular? You just stating something vaguely seems to always suit your needs.

that is all I seem to recall you ever doing when you scoff and condemn Christianity.
You do not come in here to even try and learn to come to believe in God. You just come in here to try and tear down and scoff at God. Full of hate. because it is not by love you do these things.

Originally Posted by enorbet I'd hoped to make it clear that Mathematics demonsstrates the nature of real Truth and Certainty and it does this by restricting the area of a concept to one that can be completely known. That Math starts with an identity (1 = 1) and proceeds in almost painfully small steps (1 + 1 = 2) demonstrates that there are no variables at all in such simple relationships. In the larger world we live in, though mathematics is everywhere and can describe everything, variables do exist because subjects and events more complex than 1 + 1, one good example being atmospheric weather, are so complex that all we can hope for presently is Probability since it is not restricted and controlled as simpler subjects and events. Absolute Proof and Certainty exists in Mathematics. It is very hard to come by out here in the world but just how high a percentage of likelihood do you require to consider it factual? If you answer, :Well 99% is pretty darn close to 100% so I'd accept that as a pretty safe bet". Now multiply that out. Try 99.99999999%. Is that not close enough for any and everyone? Many scientific theories have that level of reliability. Time and size affect things like events and possible events but numbers mean exactly the same thing regardless of size or Time. There are no pink elephants. That is only a certainty if we stipulate "right now" and "on Earth". We cannot assume there will never be pink elephants at some time or in some place. Why is it that some people feel the need for 100% certainty to consider a thing a Fact? or worse, accept as Fact things with less than 1% probability? <facepalm>

coming from someone that does not Believe in God, I ask you your same question.

So a lie is truth, the truth is truth and make believe it's truth; as long as you believe it's the truth... but only if you're blind enough to truth it!

Originally Posted by BW-userx coming from someone that does not Believe in God, I ask you your same question.

I don't believe in "god" but (perhaps the phrase why on Earth doesn't work here )
Why stop at not believing in "god" because you've fooled yourself, your makebelive "god" is one of many, your religion is one of many
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Either jump on the bandwagon cuz you're a little kid who needs answers and/or you grow up and live.

No one has to take much to any blame from their actions if they pick one of the many religions

but again why are there so many religions, we can answer it can you‽

If you don't want us to blame religion for all the bad stuff happen*ing in the world when religion is named for it? Too bad cuz the people are doing it in the name of fairy tales, that's what fairy tales get: the good the bad the ugly or facts get good food and good living!!!

Originally Posted by jamison20000e If you don't want us to blame religion for all the bad stuff happen*ing in the world when religion is named for it? Too bad cuz the people are doing it in the name of fairy tales, that's what fairy tales get: the good the bad the ugly or facts get good food and good living!!!

again with the fairy tales cliche.

It is just them that kill in the name of something transferring blame to that something or someone else to justify what they are doing so they can make themselves feel what they are doing is right to do, while not having to take personal responsibly for their actions.

You seem to have little to no understanding of mankind. Perhaps that is why you only look for reasons not to believe in God, so you spout off your cliches to justify your own actions.

So you would then rather they use your name instead because you're tangible?

Fact do not get someone food and good living, and good living is ones own perspective of what that is.

a poor man can say he is living good, and be more happy than a rich man who says I'm Living the good life, and always turning to items to try and satisfy his most inner most needs, and never being actually satisfied.

Food is just a substance man needs to live another day in this world. both the good and the evil man needs it to survive another day. Both the good man by whomever standards is used to determine what good is, and the evil man by whatever standards man uses to determine what evil is both get food to eat to live another day.

Regardless if either of them say they do, or actually do believe in a God or not.

Having facts on anything or not having facts on anything have absolutely nothing to do with food and living good.

that argument holds no water whatsoever.

Food is a fact. Religious beliefs are madeup for whatever reasons, they are not facts, "gods" are not facts, after lifes are not facts...

Not eating until you die can be a fact! Why you would do such a thing is not a fact‽

My sh!t supports the fact that food is real, where's your proof‽

Originally Posted by BW-userx You seem to have little to no understanding of mankind. Perhaps that is why you only look for reasons not to believe in God, so you spout off your cliches to justify your own actions.

got any evidence to prove god exists???

i see a lot of people peddling the idea of god & religion, but they never have any evidence to back up their claims, never in the 2000+ years of christianity has any evidence prove god/jesus or allah ever existing, preachers are no better than carpetbaggers peddling snakeoil

Originally Posted by jamison20000e Food is a fact. Religious beliefs are madeup for whatever reasons, they are not facts, "gods" are not facts, after lifes are not facts... Not eating until you die can be a fact! Why you would do such a thing is not a fact‽

Again, you're spouting off thing you cannot prove to be NOT real.
and using the term "Religious Beliefs" is a vague way of putting it. Seeing that people, and I am will to say you included, lump a mass majority of belief systems into the term "Religion".

Too the Big Bang Theory is made up for reasons. The Theory if evolution is made up for reasons. as the saying goes, Everything happens for a reason.

and lot of them are not facts but people still put there faith into them for reasons of there own. even your, you're putting your faith into a belief system so you can feel right about what you believe is a truth based off a man made theory.

therefore you feel compelled to come in here and perhaps other places and spew off your distaste about God without actually taking it in properly. You lump belief systems that are not yours into one pile and talk negative about them as if they are all one, same belief system. Using half thought out explanations and vague arguments.

Originally Posted by BW-userx you're spouting off thing you cannot prove to be NOT real.

onus probandi...

I honestly have no horse in this race, but usually the person making the claims has to prove those claims. The burden is not on other to disprove claims which have no facts to back them up.

Otherwise it's a bit like "prove there are no dragons/unicorns".

Religions are known as "faiths", i.e. there is no proof.

Originally Posted by Okie got any evidence to prove god exists??? i see a lot of people peddling the idea of god & religion, but they never have any evidence to back up their claims, never in the 2000+ years of christianity has any evidence prove god/jesus or allah ever existing, preachers are no better than carpetbaggers peddling snakeoil

No, BW doesn't, that's why he just repeats the same nonsense over and over and over again. It's the classic argument "well you can't prove it DOESN'T exist, so it's a "fact" until proven otherwise", a bit like the childish argument "YOU said it first! did not, YOU did!!!". Maybe BW expects that people will give up trying to get him to provide any real proof, and just cave in instead?

In any case, cynwulf provides the best answer/response;

Originally Posted by cynwulf onus probandi... I honestly have no horse in this race, but usually the person making the claims has to prove those claims. The burden is not on other to disprove claims which have no facts to back them up. Otherwise it's a bit like "prove there are no dragons/unicorns". Religions are known as "faiths", i.e. there is no proof.

(as has already been explained to BW-userx many times now)

But, why bother? Good luck - you'll need it...

My :
https://hrussman.neocities.org/ramblings/theories.html
https://hrussman.neocities.org/ramblings/faith.html

Originally Posted by jsbjsb001 No, BW doesn't, that's why he just repeats the same nonsense over and over and over again. It's the classic argument "well you can't prove it DOESN'T exist, so it's a "fact" until proven otherwise", a bit like the childish argument "YOU said it first! did not, YOU did!!!". Maybe BW expects that people will give up trying to get him to provide any real proof, and just cave in instead? In any case, cynwulf provides the best answer/response; (as has already been explained to BW-userx many times now) But, why bother? Good luck - you'll need it...

go look in the mirror when you say that... Luck has nothing to do with it.

I will not bend to your way of thinking...

the big bang and evolution is no real proof either ... none whatsoever of any validity whatsoever that it brought life as we know it into existence.

yet you stay in here peddling your wears going on and on about how Science is the god you believe in, you and them like you, and any other kind of God is just a fiery tail that people use to justify killing someone else. Which is true to an extent that people use someone elses name to justify them killing someone else.

that does not mean nor prove that the name they are using actually told them to. so what does that boil down to, a lie. a lie that they are using to justify killing someone else.

If I were to use your name to kill someone .. how would that make you feel, if others (like you and your way of thinking) use that for a reason to not believe that you exist, or believe in you because someone used your name to kill another?

when you did not.