The Faith & Religion mega Thread

Originally Posted by Ru1138 I don't think I really fit any of the above.

Okay, I think I have things figured out now. I consider myself a "De-Facto Atheist" as per this chart:

http://i.imgur.com/6eTOHXS.png

Basically: until there's bona-fide evidence of the existence of one or more god(ess) I simply can't believe in their existence.

Originally Posted by Ru1138 Basically: until there's bona-fide evidence of the existence of one or more god(ess) I simply can't believe in their existence.

What do you define as bona-fide evidence?

Originally Posted by BW-userx what is wrong with morally superior, what is wrong with having morals in general? is that statement to say you have no morals at all?

You left out part of the definition, actually the defining part

Originally Posted by Dictionary.com 1. making a hypocritical show of religious devotion, piety, righteousness, etc.

That you did this in order to assert your perceived moral superiority and what you see as my void, just proves the point.

Originally Posted by BW-userx Foam at the mouth is quite an imagination on your part. people that have morals I have never seen any of them foaming at the mouth due to a direct results of having morals. social graces or social favor which is what that means resides in a social setting that shows approval for ones behavior that conforms to that specif social setting. thieves showing approval of other thieves behavior because their morals are not the same standard as ones that believe that it is not right to steal from others. They all gain their social graces from one another. woo hoo showing good judgment of reality or discerning reality as you put it and social graces as you put it being gaining approval for ones behavior by others approval as you put it is apples and oranges.

I most definitely have morals as I came by then initially as most do through my upbringing. However when I reached the age of reason I chose which ones were right for me and that choice had nothing to do with pleasing others. It did however include being kind and considerate as well as truthful with others because humans are social animals and civilization and the social contract are important. Principles are important. Pleasing the crowd, not so much.

The term "foaming at the mouth" is heavily influenced by poetry, especially Bob Dylan's To Ramona in which he describes her confusion as being due to having been "schooled" by "worthless foam from the mouth". Frank Zappa called it "Cosmic debris". It's just vacuous words. "a tempest in a teapot... sound and fury signifying nothing" - Shakespeare. This is exactly because "When you believe in things that you don't understand... you suffer...Superstition ain't the way." - Stevie Wonder. I didn't adopt those concepts. I considered them and found they "held water". Foaming at the mouth is particularly common to those that ASSUME they are morally superior when all of us are just trying to find our way and hopefully putting mistakes to good purpose.

< Regarding my acceptance that the True Believers in The One True Faith believe I am damned to eternal suffering in Hellfire >

Originally Posted by BW-userx and that is no ones fault but your own.. talk about a disorganize thought process.

That is exactly true but not as you see it since I don't accept the concept of an immortal soul or that any Divine Creator would sentence someone he/she/it created to an eternity of horrific suffering for mistakes during a lifetime that isn't even the most miniscule blip on Eternity. How is that Justice? As horrible as humans are capable of being I know of no people that are that vindictive and unforgiving of their children. Thus if there is a God and he/she/it IS like that, then I want no part of it. Talk about a spoiled brat! However that's how leaders and ruling families were 2000 years ago (and a few still to this day) and it is those upon which "Gods" were modeled.

Originally Posted by enorbet Originally Posted by BW-userx Originally Posted by BW-userx what is wrong with morally superior, what is wrong with having morals in general? is that statement to say you have no morals at all? You left out part of the definition, actually the defining part Originally Posted by Dictionary.com 1. making a hypocritical show of religious devotion, piety, righteousness, etc. That you did this in order to assert your perceived moral superiority and what you see as my void, just proves the point.

If you are using the word sanctimonious this is where I got the definition

sanc·ti·mo·ni·ous ˌsaNG(k)təˈmōnēəs/ adjective derogatory adjective: sanctimonious 1. making a show of being morally superior to other people.

https://www.google.com/search?q=sanc...utf-8&oe=utf-8

But by the definition you are using: 1. making a hypocritical show of religious devotion, piety, righteousness, etc.

the key word being hypocritical

hyp·o·crit·i·cal ˌhipəˈkridək(ə)l/ adjective adjective: hypocritical behaving in a way that suggests one has higher standards or more noble beliefs than is the case.

That then is stating one that puts on the impression of having higher or better beliefs than he or she really does.
where are your proofs that this is the way I am personally behaving? If I live my Faith in Jesus Christ then I am not putting on an impression that I have higher standards that what I really have. Because my standards will match them of my belief in Jesus teaching. No more, no less. Therefore you saying that I am a sanctimonious person that foams at the mount is a slanderous remark on your part towards me. It is a LIE you have told about me not only to yourself but to me and others that read it.
You have broken one of the commands I believe in.
You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor.
You have done so by stating I am a foaming at the mouth sanctimonious person because of what I believe in. An Insult as well you have given to me.

Originally Posted by enorbet Originally Posted by BW-userx Originally Posted by BW-userx Foam at the mouth is quite an imagination on your part. people that have morals I have never seen any of them foaming at the mouth due to a direct results of having morals. social graces or social favor which is what that means resides in a social setting that shows approval for ones behavior that conforms to that specif social setting. thieves showing approval of other thieves behavior because their morals are not the same standard as ones that believe that it is not right to steal from others. They all gain their social graces from one another. woo hoo showing good judgment of reality or discerning reality as you put it and social graces as you put it being gaining approval for ones behavior by others approval as you put it is apples and oranges. I most definitely have morals as I came by then initially as most do through my upbringing. However when I reached the age of reason I chose which ones were right for me and that choice had nothing to do with pleasing others.

Exactly, it had nothing to do with others in mind. It is all about you. A selfish act on your part. Self admitted. I chose which ones were right for me.

Originally Posted by enorbet It did however include being kind and considerate as well as truthful

Truthful, are you sure that is not being truthful only when it suits you?

Originally Posted by enorbet with others because humans are social animals and civilization and the social contract are important. Principles are important. Pleasing the crowd, not so much.

truthful with others when you just told a lie about me, you bore false wittiness against me. That is not being truthful. It is you being a liar.
Making yourself out to be a better person then you really are. By your words not mine. What kind of person is that again?

Originally Posted by enorbet The term "foaming at the mouth" is heavily influenced by poetry, especially Bob Dylan's To Ramona in which he describes her confusion as being due to having been "schooled" by "worthless foam from the mouth".

You had to dig for that one didn’t you?
Worthless foam from the mouth. Why do people foam at the mouth? Being schooled by a worthless foam from the mouth. Who's mouth was I worthlessly schooled from?
I will use the teachings of Jesus, which by your option I am assuming is that you think that what he taught is a worthless thing to take up and live up to.

Instead just pick whatever someone said to you about how you should live your life, then when you got older you told yourself no, I will only keep what suits me, and the hell with the rest of it because that is about pleasing others and not myself.

I told my mom and dad what they taught me in how to live my life is wrong. I do as I want, what suits me. Not you. The other guy. I am a selfish person underneath it all. Even this I be kind to others, but when it comes right down to it, if it does not suit me, well then what?
That is you????

Originally Posted by enorbet Frank Zappa called it "Cosmic debris". It's just vacuous words. "a tempest in a teapot... sound and fury signifying nothing" - Shakespeare. This is exactly because "When you believe in things that you don't understand... you suffer...Superstition ain't the way." - Stevie Wonder. I didn't adopt those concepts.

If you did not adopt those concepts. Then you just using them for your justification to call me one that foams at the mouth because the teachings I use to guild my life by are worthless. IS no longer a valid justification.
Again, not only did you say I a sanctimonious person that foams at the mouth. But again are trying to justify it in holding to this belief about me.

If you based your option about me on something you really have no real full understanding about. Only what you have heard and or seen others that say what I say. I believe in Jesus Christ, or I am a Christian. But do not do what I do. You judge me by another actions. That too is an injustice towards me. You are not a just person on account of it. You are not even close to being a righteous person.

But you try to make yourself out to be a righteous person by your previous statement.

”It did however include being kind and considerate as well as truthful with others because humans are social animals and civilization and the social contract are important. Principles are important. Pleasing the crowd, not so much.”
telling me and others what a nice person you are. When you’ve slandered my name, is that being nice. False witness against me. If you do not understand what that is, then that is a proof you have no real deep understanding of what I believe in and why.

Originally Posted by enorbet I considered them and found they "held water". Foaming at the mouth is particularly common to those that ASSUME they are morally superior when all of us are just trying to find our way and hopefully putting mistakes to good purpose.

again you wrongfully judge me by what means?
Do you even understand how the human works psychologically with what he was given to work with? His five senses and his mind (psychology).
Your words give your subconscious needs away. What you just did by what you said. I know you probably will not understand that remark.

Originally Posted by enorbet < Regarding my acceptance that the True Believers in The One True Faith believe I am damned to eternal suffering in Hellfire > Originally Posted by BW-userx and that is no ones fault but your own.. talk about a disorganize thought process. That is exactly true but not as you see it since I don't accept the concept of an immortal soul or that any Divine Creator would sentence someone he/she/it created to an eternity of horrific suffering for mistakes during a lifetime that isn't even the most minuscule blip on Eternity. How is that Justice?

look at your logic there. Come on look at it, analyze it. That is an incomplete thought. Then a question to where is the justice in that?
I need more paper, someone give me more paper. Please!

Lets take apart what you just wrote so far that last blur and analyze your thought process.

Regarding my acceptance that the True Believers in The One True Faith believe I am damned to eternal suffering in Hellfire.

That states you accept that. That ones that are not true believers in the One true faith as you call it are damned to eternal suffering in Hellfire. You have accepted it, then you state this.
“That is exactly true but not as you see it.”

how do you know how I see it? That is an assumption on your part because you have never asked me. But, it is correct enough to work with. Now you show your thought process. Two things you are commenting on.

“since I don't accept the concept of an immortal soul” is a different matter then what a Person that has more abilities then you would do to others he rules over.

The soul is a spiritual being that lives within you.

“or that any Divine Creator would sentence someone he/she/it created to an eternity of horrific suffering for mistakes during a lifetime that isn't even the most minuscule blip on Eternity.”

You are having a hard time accepting that a person would sentence someone to an eternity of punishment for all of the wrongs he or she did during their entire life on earth.

Have you never heard of life imprisonment without parole?

If a human can do this to another human. Give him life imprisonment without parole for his or hers wrong doings. Then why is it so hard to believe that one that can grant eternal life cannot grant eternal punishment?

Then you ask where is the justice in that?

Where is the justice in someone granting eternal punishment for all of the wrong doing they have done in their life time. That is justice.



Disobey mans laws you get punished for it.
Disobey Gods laws you get punished for it.



same thing. We are created in the image and likeness of God.

you have your entire lifetime to get right with God else suffer the consequences for your actions. The soul is eternal, whence it leaves the flesh that flesh is dead now the soul is judged for what it did or did not do.

unlike mans laws where you get punished right when your found guilty of a crime.

Originally Posted by enorbet As horrible as humans are capable of being I know of no people that are that vindictive and unforgiving of their children. Thus if there is a God and he/she/it IS like that, then I want no part of it.

God is a forgiving God. Where are you getting your information?

Originally Posted by enorbet Talk about a spoiled brat! However that's how leaders and ruling families were 2000 years ago (and a few still to this day) and it is those upon which "Gods" were modeled.

Because you have misjudged God you now have made false accusations about Him too.

I'm sorry BX-userx, but not only do you apparently have no concept of the difference between whimsical license and Principles nor an understanding that the keyword is not "hypocritical" but rather "show", once again I kindly ask you to move this to the appropriate thread. I'm aching to answer your every question but my principles restrain me in the interest of following the rules of this exemplary forum.

Edit: Hmmm was it moved or did I sustain a brain freeze? Whichever is the case I suppose it's "once more into the breach" <sigh> but I confess that I will choose a later date since I am recovering from a nasty, long-lasting flu and I don't always do well with antihistamines.

So, no definition here: https://www.linuxquestions.org/quest...ml#post5668116

...go figure‽


:hattip:

:hatdrop:

Most often in this thread, answers that can't be answered, because they'd disprove something, don't get answered; in science we say: don't know‽

I believe in the real one.

You dirty dog...

lol,

check this out Wikipedia even has a term & page for it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep-throating

So much opinions about God but reality is - only the truth once revealed will have the final word and then opinions won't matter, also why are people afraid of God or diferent God? I have no issue with deities - as long as they are worthy. As for gender - does not matter - female, male, animal, robot, whatever. God is supposed to be leader of the real_ world_s, and from history we learn that it matters only personality and power level for event influence not details of how it is done..as long as it is done properly!

Originally Posted by arcane so much opinions about god but reality is - only the truth once revealed will have the final word and then opinions won't matter, also why are people afraid of god or diferent god? I have no issue with deities - as long as they are worthy.

roflmao

talk about a backwards option.

Still no answers on why religion has and needed to evolve‽ Anyone plus like you put no opinions... just lay your fruit at the steps!

I posted the question that religious people avoid or opinionate over on FB as: Any answers on why religion has and needed to evolve‽ Anyone but no opinions... just lay that sacrifice at the steps!

My aunt: "Simple: humans have evolved. Belief system evolves with new understanding."
Me: Understandings are infinite unlike reality...
Me: I forgot the quotes to that opinion,,, "Understandings..."

Originally Posted by jamison20000e I posted the question that religious people avoid or opinionate over on FB as: Any answers on why religion has and needed to evolve‽ Anyone but no opinions... just lay that sacrifice at the steps! My aunt: "Simple: humans have evolved. Belief system evolves with new understanding." Me: Understandings are infinite unlike reality... Me: I forgot the quotes to that opinion,,, "Understandings..."

are you trying to ask.

Does religion have a need to evolve? If yes. Why?