My question is what do others believe.

I assume the lab near Wuhan is one of the few on earth that has been studying the Sar's and other virus's. I assume that they also have a huge collection of samples and have a vast knowledge in growing them and maintaining them for later study.

I'm not saying that China released the virus on purpose however. I'd be more inclined to believe it is more of a Chernobyl where idiots were in charge with faulty equipment (bought at the lowest price socialist store).

It burns me up when I see so called experts saying it can't have been grown. There is no way they can prove that. It's like the TV show Penn and Teller fool us. Even experts get fooled don't they? Star Trek episode. You can't prove the impossible. You can only prove the possible.

The lab says they only have three samples and one is only 79% similar. That huge lab with researchers who have been seeking out virus's for the last 20 years and they only have three in their collection. Yet not one of the Wuhan Covid that was a few miles away. Huh?

I would say as high as the probability that it could have come from any bio-weapons lab in the world. One of the lessons is perhaps we could get consensus to shut down bio-weapons labs around the world. Studying naturally occurring virus'/bacteria is one thing, but splicing/slicing and creating new man made viruses is entirely unethical and one of the most dangerous and foolhardy things mankind can do.

Two distinct possibilities with this virus:
1) it was man made and the world is being lied to

2) it is naturally occurring and the world is being lied to

It is interesting to note that both Bill Gates and the US Dr. Fauci both have close connections with the Wuhan lab, financial and work related.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...on-wuhan-labo/
https://nypost.com/2020/04/29/dr-fau...g-coronavirus/
(grain of salt) https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...es-foundation/

#BanBioWeaponsLabsNow

I am convinced that COVID-19 occurred naturally by transfer from wild life to humans.

That has happened many times over the course of human history. In contrast, there is no real-life example of a pandemic originating from a laboratory. Zero. Zilch. Nada.

I don't know the accuracy but in a not to recent NPR broadcast Wuhan lab researchers have found over 1000 different bat coronvirus but they are only studying a small subset. They have been studying SARS2 for 15 years and still have not matched the exact virus in the wild yet. All this means is while there is no evidence to support the virus escaped from the lab trying to completely prove it did not will be very difficult.

It also looks like COVID-19 has mutated and the US and European strain is 10x more contagious then the original. The good news is that is not any more deadly.

The virus behaves too broadly and weirdly for me to believe that it's 'natural' (manmade is technically natural too, we're not supernatural creatures after all, and neither are our machinations).
It's very well possible that it is, but I'm in camp manmade, but without wanting to blamein particular, or anything.

Well, there is one exception, that Korean cult, if they indeed spread the disease on purpose.
Shincheonji Church of Jesus. WWJD? Nothing good in this case, it seems.

According to the Journal of Nature scientists outside of China have studied its genome and have found no evidence of man made manipulation. They also do not understand how the binding mechanism works exactly which means that it is more likely to have emerged as a result of natural selection.

Any serious scientific source is yet to state the virus was handmade so. Why the doubts? A naturally occured virus was being investigated and somehow contaminated something/someone outside the experiment area, that's a possibility but that's a completely different subject to discuss.

Bio-weapons? Huh? Covid-19 is very bad as a bio-weapon, it's not very lethal, and spreads so quickly that it's impossible to aim. Anthrax is a good bio-weapon, it's quite lethal, but doesn't spread too far from the targets.


That may not be entirely true, https://mbio.asm.org/content/6/4/e01013-15

And there have been quite a few outbreaks from labs, that luckily didn't escalate into pandemics.

https://slate.com/technology/2014/04...oratories.html

I don't believe that a man-made virus escaped from a Chinese laboratory. But I do believe that conspiracy theories escape from the USA — this thread is evidence. Luckily the rest of us seem to have a natural immunity.

Not only is the likelihood that Covid19 was released or escaped from a lab but considering it's uselessness as a weapon and the common sense of "Never immediately attribute to malice that which is more easily explained by incompetence" this is really a non-issue by people who always are looking for someone to blame. Having someone to blame may feel neater, but in general Nature, including the nature of Man, is "messy". It isn't commonly neat.

Military men have been speculating about the possibility of using bacteria and viruses as weapons since at least 1950. They always come to the same conclusion: no nation would be daft enough to do it because, once the pathogen was released, there would be no way of preventing the disease from killing their own soldiers.

It spreading so virulently, while seemingly sticking around in places (like spinal fluid, but I haven't really kept up on that 'rumor' ) for quite some time, well.

Science has made many strides in this field, to the point where we have things CRISPR and co, and the thought of engineering specialized viruses to only attack sick cells has been pondered (and tried I think) before.

If we regard COVID-19 as a sort of precursor, or seed, then its mode of operation makes more sense.

Also, even without 'high tech' like that, perhaps someone out there knows something that most don't.
Possibly along the lines of "I know how to make herpes blisters bloom on command in anyone that has the virus in their system", as in, maybe a chemical is all that is needed to trigger some secondary effect of it, etc.

But yeah, my 'conspiracy' view on this is more of me not being surprised if it WERE man made for a purpose, since I am expecting it.
That's the extent. I have noone to blame this on for myself in particular. Not even the chinese, because yay globalism, anyone can be it now.

ntubski, lethality is only one component of a bio-weapon. Also, ponder for a moment that Covid-19 has been extremely lethal to the global economy. Side effects: the longer this continues death-rates from suicide, alcoholism, drug abuse, domestic abuse, crime etc... also increases. Perhaps, mortality is a side effect but not the main component, perhaps, the other effects are/were the subject of the study that we are all willful/or unknowingly participating. Or perhaps, this virus simply "got out" before being perfected.

Countries have tested things on its own and other citizens before: syphilis, nuclear waste, etc... Not saying this is what happened, but to rule it out as impossible is rather narrow minded.

Also, please research the rate at which natural viruses mutate, it takes much longer then this current virus, also takes much longer for animal viruses to infect humans.

Throwing infected cattle over castle walls was fairly common at one time, as was putting dead animals in the water supply. Early form(s) of bio-weapon. I yield that both were localized, however, the minds of some humans have become even more perverse since then. Ref: https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/8/9/01-0536_article

I think there are two sides to "man made" stuff.
One is some high tech cutting of rna/dna and all sorts of chemical this and that's.
The other is similar to taking roses and slowly matching them up to make what you want. That is more of the man made I was thinking about. You have 10K samples in some lab and sort of let nature loose. Of course from a lab that has yet to allow any scientific outsider into???

Could another lab have "created" it? Dunno, who is studying it? I assume someone has the know how to create it maybe. I'd more believe one can advance how nature might have created it and would appear quite clear. If it were a natural bat cave and bats have been studied for hundreds of years then why has there never been an outbreak? Some magical bat cave far in the mountain that no outsider beside Kung Foo Panda.

WW2 Japan went to China and was highly efficient in testing all sorts of bio weapons. They were granted amnesty from war crimes so that the US could learn from their study. Japan even tried to infect the US. However the thought of this sort of tactic I'd assume goes back to Egyptian times. The idea of disease is not new.

It does bug me that no one trusts this person or that government but they are willing to believe China on this. I'm not anti China but I feel I understand their culture a bit more from being in that area for a few years. If it were Russia and a nuclear disaster I think they'd be more likely to point the finger. We do know Russia has tried to hide quite a number of mini disasters. Chernobyl, het! (no)

There's a fire, a guy with an empty diesel can and half a pack of matches. Ya kinda have to wonder.

Do I think it will kill me? Not overly concerned but it has proven to be quite fatal to many. I don't think I want to test it.