More Covid news

hazel · 01-01-2021, 07:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brianL

There will be another steep rise in cases after tonight, when all the irresponsible idiots gather to see the New Year in. Round 'em up, and dump 'em on some uninhabited island.

Yup! There was a big rave-up in Docklands last night. https://uk.yahoo.com/news/police-shu...064741669.html.

The trouble with covid is it kills the wrong people.

teckk · 01-01-2021, 07:51 AM

Super Covid
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ip-nation.html

Chronically underfunded
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ideration.html
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/arti...-disaster.html

Pharmacist arrested
https://news.trust.org/item/20210101004710-w5bch

Wrong shot
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/31/west...ard-says-.html

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-53511877
https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/covid-...uation-updates
https://covidhqafrica.com/
https://www.canada.ca/en/public-heal...-covid-19.html
https://www.health.gov.au/news/healt...d-case-numbers
https://www.statista.com/statistics/...navirus-cases/
https://www.gov.ie/en/campaigns/c36c...9-coronavirus/
https://www.who.int/emergencies/dise...ronavirus-2019
https://www.zusammengegencorona.de/en/
https://www.deutschland.de/en/corona...rmany-overview
https://www.government.nl/topics/coronavirus-covid-19
https://ru.usembassy.gov/covid-19-information/
https://au.usembassy.gov/covid-19-information/

eight.bit.al · 01-01-2021, 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hazel

The trouble with covid is it kills the wrong people.

Just to clarify, it doesn't kill the young people who ignore the rules, but their parents and grandparents they bring it home to?

8bit

hazel · 01-01-2021, 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eight.bit.al

Just to clarify, it doesn't kill the young people who ignore the rules, but their parents and grandparents they bring it home to?

Exactly!

business_kid · 01-01-2021, 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by teckk

Super Covid
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ip-nation.html

And this one on the 'R' number [ goes up by 0.4 - 0.7]
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-55507012

JSB · 01-02-2021, 06:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eight.bit.al

Just to clarify, it doesn't kill the young people who ignore the rules, but their parents and grandparents they bring it home to?

I am less than 30 but I don't ignore the rules.
Not all young people are stupid.

teckk · 01-02-2021, 06:41 AM

About 6.2% of the US population has been infected with this now.
According to what is known to date.

Code:

>>> m=10**6
20617346/(330*(m))
0.06247680606060606

Spain

Code:

>>> 1936718/(47*(m))
0.04120676595744681

France

Code:

>>> 2639773/(65*(m))
0.040611892307692306

Great Britain

Code:

>>> 2542065/(68*(m))
0.03738330882352941

Brazil

Code:

>>> 7700578/(213*(m))
0.03615294835680751

Italy

Code:

>>> 2129376/(60*(m))
0.0354896

Etc.
https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/
https://corona-stats.online/?source=2

The US state where I live is 7.6%, because of the Chicago area.

Code:

>>> 970590/(12.7*(m))
0.0764244094488189

https://worldpopulationreview.com/states
https://www.usapopulation.org/
https://corona-stats.online/states/us

London UK

Code:

>>> 385037/(9.3*(m))
0.04140182795698925

https://worldpopulationreview.com/wo...don-population
https://data.london.gov.uk/dataset/c...ovid-19--cases

business_kid · 01-06-2021, 11:53 AM

More news on this new virus variant. By the Roman winter solstice festival of Natalis Sol Invictii (Now celebrated worldwide as Christmas) we had ≅10% of cases with it. Now, as of last night, it's 25% of cases. We'll get the Government guidelines tonight, but basically, it's "Run indoors and hide" time. It's probably going to overrun the hospitals here in Ireland. They've already lined up the Private hospitals. Still, people in the local park won't give me any sort of a decent spce, because it's narrow tarmac paths and the grass is like Marsh or Everglades

.

igadoter · 01-06-2021, 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JSB

Not all young people are stupid.

I should put this as my YAS (Yet Another Signature). On subject: best strategy is to apply worst possible scenario for this year.

Dennis2 · 01-06-2021, 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hazel

Yup! There was a big rave-up in Docklands last night. https://uk.yahoo.com/news/police-shu...064741669.html.

The trouble with covid is it kills the wrong people.

Yes, that is quite true, but almost always it can eventually kill them or at the very least affect their quality of life in the future.

Now some live to 80, 90, or even 100 instead of rising what if it drops to 70.

business_kid · 01-07-2021, 05:07 AM

We've kinda gone off the scale here - 7,832 cases yesterday. If you want an idea of how far off the scale, look at Ireland's graph for the last few days http://bing.com/covid . There's about 1,000 backlog cases in there, and another ≅9,000 or so to feed through. For some reason the figures take time to percolate through the system from the time of a positive test. Care homes are often slower to report, deaths in particular.

I calculated our 7 day incidence/100,000 as 636.3! Is that a record? There's going to be another 10 days of it before the restrictions begin to bite, and the hospitals will be overflowing by then. Italy stopped taking folks over 80 into hospital. because they'd be 3-4 weeks in ICU and had no better than a ~50% chance of making it, so they saved ICU beds for those with a better outlook.

It seems that out of nowhere, this thing has got really nasty.

hazel · 01-07-2021, 05:19 AM

All the Italians are doing is what everyone did back in 1957 with the Asian Flu. No one in those days would have dreamed of putting someone my age on a ventilator. Threescore years and ten was what you were entitled to. Anything extra was seen as a bonus, not a right.

teckk · 01-07-2021, 06:50 AM

A quick rundown. Percent of population infected. (As reported)

Code:

>>> python
Python 3.9.0
....
>>>k=10**3
>>>m=10**6

#USA
>>> 21858*k/(330*m)
0.06623636363636363

#Switzerland
>>> 471*k/(8.7*m)
0.05413793103448276

#Netherlands
>>> 841*k/(17*m)
0.04947058823529412

#Sweden
>>> 470*k/(10*m)
0.047

#Spain
>>> 1983*k/(47*m)
0.042191489361702125

#UK
>>> 2837*k/(68*m)
0.04172058823529412

#France
>>> 2706*k/(65*m)
0.04163076923076923

#Argentina
>>> 1676*k/(45*m)
0.03724444444444444

#Brazil
>>> 7874*k/(213*m)
0.03696713615023474

#Italy
>>> 2202*k/(60*m)
0.0367

#Poland
>>> 1357*k/(38*m)
0.03571052631578947

#Columbia
>>> 1720*k/(51*m)
0.03372549019607843

#Denmark
>>> 175*k/(5.8*m)
0.03017241379310345

#Turkey
>>> 2284*k/(85*m)
0.02687058823529412

#Ukraine
>>> 1099*k/(44*m)
0.024977272727272726

#Ireland
>>> 121*k/(5*m)
0.0242

#Russia
>>> 3332*k/(146*m)
0.02282191780821918

#Germany
>>> 1841*k/(84*m)
0.021916666666666668

#Guadeloupe (Where death in paradise is made)
>>> 8.7*k/(400*k)
0.0217

#South Africa
>>> 1150*k/(57*m)
0.02017543859649123

#Canada
>>> 627*k/(38*m)
0.0165

#Japan
>>> 252*k/(129*m)
0.0019534883720930232

#Australia
>>> 28.5*k/(26*m)
0.001096153846153846

#Not believable numbers
#Mexico, India, Many other countries reported numbers

business_kid · 01-07-2021, 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hazel

All the Italians are doing is what everyone did back in 1957 with the Asian Flu. No one in those days would have dreamed of putting someone my age on a ventilator. Threescore years and ten was what you were entitled to. Anything extra was seen as a bonus, not a right.

They're an emotional lot for the most part. They knew they could save 50%, maybe more, but that took a month of ICU, & after care. The ICU Beds & aftercare were finite resources. So you could save 3 or 4 middle aged folks in a month, or one 80 year old, or maybe none. The Italians respect their older folk, but the practical thing was not to take in older folks. England had come through WW2 and IIRC had food rationing until 1954 - you can correct me if my info is wrong. It was a different attitude.

hazel · 01-07-2021, 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by business_kid

England had come through WW2 and IIRC had food rationing until 1954 - you can correct me if my info is wrong. It was a different attitude.

That's a point I've often made. Life was cheaper in those days, partly because people didn't live so long (many men died soon after retirement at 65) and partly perhaps, as you hinted, because of the losses during the war. And of course there was no question of a vaccine. We didn't know how to make vaccines against viruses, except for smallpox, where there just happened to be a wild virus that provided cross-immunity. So natural herd immunity was the only solution and the aim was to get there as quickly as possible.

That's why I'm a little less indignant and outraged about the US official response to covid than some of the other contributors to this thread. Yes, it means accepting a horrendous death toll, but we might end up with that anyway if governments and banks collapse because they've run out of money. Only time will tell.