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Old 01-12-2021, 02:42 PM   #196
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=I6cfncIgsao
 
Old 01-12-2021, 03:37 PM   #197
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Sky has discovered that people will watch ads incessantly if they come sandwiched in between bits they call "news." They all have to tiptoe around the booby traps (like their PM's hypocrisy). No wonder it's 47 minutes.
 
Old 01-13-2021, 07:30 AM   #198
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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-51235105
That's good for a snapshot (now) which they might keep up to date. They have stats on deaths per 100K, which isn't often done.

We have had a very peaky wave around the 25th, which is understandable, because with a few exceptions, there are two unwritten rules this country operates on
  1. Rules are made to be broken.
  2. Better ask forgiveness than permission.

So we were going to have a peak then anyhow. In a day or two, I can find out what the peak was. The deaths are going to start piling up now. 46 yesterday, about 3 average daily deaths.
 
Old 01-13-2021, 07:45 AM   #199
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You also have the problem that you can't vaccinate on the scale we can because of EU rules. I understand that the easily stored Oxford vaccine isn't even approved on your side of the water.
 
Old 01-13-2021, 01:02 PM   #200
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I understand that the easily stored Oxford vaccine isn't even approved on your side of the water.
It is now.
 
Old 01-13-2021, 01:17 PM   #201
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Maybe in Oz. It just could be here (in the EU) too. If not, it's going to be soon. Of course our red tape is probably longer than yours, because there's 27 of us

There's a rumour around that the South African variant of Covid is a reaction to a vaccine. I didn't even know they had a vaccine there. Whose vaccine might be interesting. A few countries (Russia, China, ?)pushed vaccines out very quick.

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Old 01-13-2021, 01:18 PM   #202
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Yeah! Thank God we're out of it.
 
Old 01-13-2021, 02:27 PM   #203
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A few countries (Russia, China, ?)pushed vaccines out very quick.
A whole new can of worms there.
China is buying parts of Africa it seems, by selling them vaccine - slightly cheaper I presume. Which nobody knows nothing about, ony that their own population probably served as beta testers.
 
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A whole new can of worms there.
China is buying parts of Africa it seems, by selling them vaccine - slightly cheaper I presume. Which nobody knows nothing about, ony that their own population probably served as beta testers.
I gather there wasn't any choice about the vaccine in China. They have so population, they can afford to make the country easier to govern by culling the troublesome ones. Certainly a 20% side effects rate on the vaccine wouldn't trouble them. Anywhere there's an outbreak, they vaccinate the town.

So the South African variant being a mutation caused by a vaccine is yet another Urban myth?
 
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China is buying parts of Africa it seems, by selling them vaccine - slightly cheaper I presume. Which nobody knows nothing about, ony that their own population probably served as beta testers.
China has been buying up parts of Africa for years with its Belt and Road initiative. So far they've mainly been using African land to grow crops to feed their own people. It cuts down on domestic water and energy consumption, which makes them look good. Of course, we don't know what else they might want to use Africa for. The one thing we can be certain of is that they don't do anything for altruistic motives.

PS. Brazil is using the Chinese vaccine but tests there show that it is only 50% effective. That's the bare minimum required for approval. Tests in Israel suggest that a single dose of Pfizer vaccine also gives 50% immunity but of course you get a second dose of that one.

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Old 01-15-2021, 01:17 AM   #206
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I gather there wasn't any choice about the vaccine in China. They have so population, they can afford to make the country easier to govern by culling the troublesome ones.
Did you really just write that?
You are justifying how a totalitarian regime culls its population to keep down open dissent?
 
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Did you really just write that?
You are justifying how a totalitarian regime culls its population to keep down open dissent?
I don't think he's justifying it. I think he's being sarcastic about the way the Chinese government probably justifies it. Life has always been cheap in China and communism hasn't improved things in that respect. Remember that communists believe they are the forward movement of history and that the end justifies the means. If a few million individuals die on the way to the People's final triumph, so what?

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Old 01-15-2021, 05:42 AM   #208
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Did you really just write that?
You are justifying how a totalitarian regime culls its population to keep down open dissent?
Yes, I wrote it but of course I don't agree with it or condone it. Life is precious to God, but not everyone sees it that way. Look at Yemen.
 
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^ I guess that falls under internet rule i-dont-know-which-number that sarcasm is never recognizable, so be careful what you write.
 
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So the South African variant being a mutation caused by a vaccine is yet another Urban myth?
Nobody knows why certain mutation come floating on top. A vaccine can not cause a virus mutation by itself - if you believe that, please explain how. However it could be possible that a certain strain that is less suppressed by vaccination in the general population will become more prevalent when there is a sizeable portion of the population vaccinated.

However because the latter is not the case anywhere in the world, I don't see how the SA variant would be connected to immunization.
 
  


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