we would be better off if the human population were thinned out some (like 80%)
BUT
Q) who is to decide who is to die
A) nobody
let people volunteer let them kill themselves with any drug in any amount they want

we should even be giving out birth control in schools with the idea of lowering the population

the legal forms of all drugs could be vaporized and inhaled (the fastest way to do any drug) the waste would be inert like an empty beer can

Has Sauron really convinced you of this ? Sure, all his propaganda networks are screaming it, "demographic tsunami", etc. Do you really believe it ? What convinced you ?

Pretty soon, he'll be pushing for war, or who knows, maybe lots of people will be declared "terrorists" and put down like dogs. Do you really agree with it ? Is it really us, the people, who have to die ? and why ?

Marijuana? Only tried it twice, both times were at parties when I'd had a fair bit to drink - so I couldn't tell if the effects were from marijuana or alcohol. I'm neutral on whether it should be legal or not.

Even if you believe that the 'good' magic mushrooms will not have any nasty (organic) chemicals, and discount the possibility of getting the 'wrong' mushrooms, all drugs have possible mental health effects. Pyschadelics/hallucinogens are not free of those problems.

Most of the real needle users I've met were smart enough to know you can game the system with sharps bins (in australia, legally, they cannot be opened, even by the police...or at least they couldnt, that may have changed over the last few years). Some of the really hardcore needle users I've spoken to have said that if 'kit' were legal they would have a nice glass one, and a stone for sharpening the needle, not the throwaway cheap crap that they use now.

Sure, you will get some idiots who throw used needles away, rather than disposal in a sharps bin. I used to know of several places I wouldnt walk without a good pair boots. Personal reccord- five needles in one boot in one step. Still, as far as waste goes, the amount of used needles around is nothing compared to the number of thrown and shattered beer/wine/spirits bottles.

BTW, its 'website' and 'manner'('manna' is bibilical or from gaming). I know, I'm hardly someone who can pick on people for spelling.....

Dunno about that. In most cases, I'd rather deal with drunks over speedfreaks, or worse yet crazies on PCP and from what I know, crack (never been exposed to crack). Both of them can make people more unstable than alcohol, and at least drunks have slowed reactions. Some of the pysch drugs can have scary effects as well. Even pyschadelics/hallucinogens can be worse than alcohol with some situations and/or people.

In some ways I agree, IMO there wouldnt be much, if any, increase in use of the harder drugs if they were legalised.

But I dont think that people would 'switch' to psychedelics (showing your prefered drug class there mr rice?). Various reasons, I'll post them if you've any intrest in my opinion why.

It is possible to take psychedelics far more often than once every 3 days or so without large increases in dosage. I've seen friends (O.K., x-friends really) trip for 2-3 weeks straight without increasing the dose that much (IIRC with the people I saw do that mostly started with 1 'trip' per day on day 1, moving up to 2-2.5 a day by the 3rd week).

@ Cascade, thanks for picking up my spelling mistakes, lol. its true there are mushrooms that will kill you, a few people in our country recently died from them coincidentally. that websight is there for that very reason, to educate people. it doesn't just teach u what to pick but what to look out for and what looks like desirable mushrooms but isn't. you sound like you know more people whom use drugs then I do. I live in a country town and honestly never seen a needle laying round here or know anyone who uses them, and for that reason I wont comment on those needle users you know, but like you Ive been to sydney and seen them there, and I didn't like it.

Isn't that what Bill Gates and other super rich are trying to do...

http://www.naturalnews.tv/v.asp?v=A1...3290536575C723

I've had a friend almost die from eating the wrong mushroom. I know the mistake he made, and it wasnt a beginner mistake...

Possibly, though most of the people I knew who were real drug fiends are people I wont talk to at all anymore, or dead. Or I know/knew more people who were/are open about it.

I saw a LOT more needle use in a small country towns than I have anywhere else. You just have to know how, where and when to look...if its not totally obvious, like it is in Nimbin.

Bill Gates going on about CO2? *snort* I've leave my cycnical response peppered with swearing off this forum.

I will say that its not just the super rich who think that population should be reduced. I personally believe that it would be a good idea if countries would adopt the Chinese 'one child' policy, and gone even further than the Chinese did (eg, remove the exemptions).

Not possible. Poor countries need children and rich countries need poor countries

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpgWAAmVwDM
Another reason why I'm voting for him to be president.

I don't have a problem with people taking whatever drugs they want to. It's your life and if you choose to risk it that's your problem. If you kill yourself, well its a bit sad, but who am I to mess with your karma? "There is no fate but what we make."

I personally avoid any drugs of which I am unsure of the provenance. This is due to me having a suspicious bastards sense of self-preservation. If some greasy oik rolls up in a bar somewhere and tries to sell me something, how the hell do I know what I've just been given? Could be top class goods, could be rat poison. We're probably better off without those stupid enough to just swallow whatever they're given. Metaphorically as well as literally.

It depends on which side of the pipe you're on I suppose. I myself smoked pretty regularly over the last 15 years. I agree with the idea that it should be legal, even if regulated, taxed, etc. why not. I never thought about it much in a cultural sense. I don't own a bong, no Marley t-shirts etc.

But the issue that I always has was social. Some places I've worked there's always that group of 2-3 people who absolutely need to know if I smoke or not. (Csh-csh-hee hehehehe) Those types drive me nuts. Pot this pot that, it's all they want to talk about. I can't deal with people like that. I smoked pretty regularly but there's more interesting things to talk about.

These days I don't smoke much. Last time was..4 months ago maybe? It started triggering panic attacks and left me feeling just lethargic. There was no "high" anymore so to speak, it left me useless and unmotivated. So, I quit.

As a medical Herb I see no problem. And the reason for that is because, I have some severe damages in my knee, so in some periods I need to take a lot of morphine, and it make me strangely aggressive, and I take it in so long periods I need a "rehab", so when I can feel a pain "attack" on the horizon I take a bit Marijuana, 'cause I often can avoid the morphine then.

As a abused drug, I don't like it, I know people who have destroyed their lifes smoking Marijuana, 'cause it let them to a much hard drug abuse - Which in some cases has let to an OD with a really bad exit (in which case death would have been/would be the easy way)

mipia, good for you. I know a few people who have kept on smoking even hwne they get bnad effects, or no effects at all.

Those 'only want to talk about pot' types drive me nuts. I normally lie to them and say I dont smoke. Besides the way that having a single subject is just boring as hell, I consider them to be a risk.....

'Gateway' drug theory. I'd be willing to bet that most, if not all of the people you have had die (or worse..yes, there is worse) due to ODs started on alcohol or cigarettes.

I know of several people who got nasty harder drug habits due to not being able to get weed (normally due to a 'weed drought' where supply is interrupted for various reasons). Which is just one reason why I think that cannabis should be legal..if people didnt have to get cannabis from drug dealers, there would be no weed droughts...and even if there was, the users wouldnt be associating with drug dealers who can and quite often do sell other drugs.

BTW I actually use cannabis as a painkiller as well sometimes (mainly migraines and back pain). Its one reason why I dont gop crazy on weed, I never know when I might want to use soem for pain relief, and if you've built up to much immunity it doesnt work that well as a painkiller. I cannot take opiates at all, they make me really sick. BTW, as someone who has known a lot of junkies, an aggressive reaction to morphine isnt that uncommon. Nasty effect though.

@cascade9 perhaps you right perhaps not, but for some it is still a stepping stone into something worse

All I know, is that all those substances are not for me, and if any child uses them, then the parents should be blamed. What I disagree with, is the fact, that some people benefit at the cost of others' suffering, be it corrupted administration, or second-hand smoking.