Because Shiny Things Are Fun - The New New Windows v Linux Thread

Originally Posted by hazel I remember reading a novel in which an electromagnetic radiation burst caused by a high-level nuclear bomb fried all the electricity infrastructure in America. Among other disasters, all the cars stopped for good, except for a few old bangers belonging to enthusiasts which still had gearboxes and carburettors.

A reason (though not the only one) the MiG-25 interceptor relied on valve technology for its radar.

Systemd has worked great for me and let's face it, it's mentioned more because people like to complain about it... like "their lawns," at least they actually take care of "their own lawns!"

Originally Posted by fido_dogstoyevsky A reason (though not the only one) the MiG-25 interceptor relied on valve technology for its radar.

Most Americans, unless they are into electric guitars, have no idea that a "valve" is what we call a vacuum tube.... (I wish more things still relied on that technology...regardless of what ya call it!).

For our next lesson, we will discuss "aluminium"

Interestingly enough, lots of tube high end audio components on the market. Tubes are huge in audio, if you've got the $$.

Originally Posted by sevendogsbsd Interestingly enough, lots of tube high end audio components on the market. Tubes are huge in audio, if you've got the $$.

You mean vintage, or new?

Originally Posted by Sumguy You mean vintage, or new?

https://www.mcintoshlabs.com/product...plifiers/MA252

Originally Posted by cwizardone https://www.mcintoshlabs.com/product...plifiers/MA252

Dig up Al Lewis! That looks like something straight out of Grandpa Munster's basement! And $3500! Man...ya could have some sweet vintage stuff for that!

Originally Posted by Sumguy Most Americans, unless they are into electric guitars, have no idea that a "valve" is what we call a vacuum tube.... (I wish more things still relied on that technology...regardless of what ya call it!).

I should have remembered - my first year (university) physic textbook kept referring to vacuum tubes... (a mere five decades ago).

Music very slightly distorted by tubes/valves has a nice warm sound missing in music similarly distorted by transistors.

Originally Posted by Sumguy For our next lesson, we will discuss "aluminium"

And other spelling differences.

Edit: AND discuss Messrs Goldberg and Robinson.

Originally Posted by sevendogsbsd I see this has changed to a "systemd sucks" thread. Let me get it back on topic: "Windows is the worst piece of garbage ever written". Discuss...

It seems that way, doesn't it?

cynwulf just wants to bag systemd, and doesn't like the fact not everyone agrees with him...

But nice try though.

Originally Posted by Sumguy You mean vintage, or new?

Well, both really. Companies are making new tube equipment, as cwizardone posted. Yeah, it isn't cheap...

We were still using tubes in our jet aircraft back in the '60s into the '70s.
By the mid/late '70s most were using transistors, but I remember a conversation with an electrical engineer, the gist of which was, while the Russians were (are?) still using tubes, their tube technology was far advanced over anything we ever did with tubes.
True or not, I don't know.

Originally Posted by Woolie Wool And if you thought AUTOEXEC.BAT was irrelevant "long before", then you've never had the (mis)fortune of trying to get legacy MS-DOS applications to play nice with Windows 95.

That is where you are wrong.

Originally Posted by Woolie Wool systemd is a black box to those who don't know how to read C. Which is a lot of people, but that lot of people are probably better off leaving the dirty bits to systemd anyway or learning to program.

Being able to "read C" does not equate to being able to understand what a codebase on the scale of systemd's does... even kernel developers no longer fully understand everything in the Linux kernel, hence my "black box" comment. You're using the flawed and tired "it's open source, you can read/hack the code" thing...

It seems to me that writing your own init scripts may have been tiresome and perhaps installing the likes of daemontools, runit or whatever as required, rather than having that functionality "out of the box" may have involved extra work for some, but the typical argument to "write/hack your own systemd if you don't like it", seems especially weak... the vast majority of end users do not write their own scripts anyway. That hasn't changed much pre and post systemd era.

What we have with systemd is this very complex and involved blackbox solution to perceived problems. Everyone I have spoken to or dealt with who prefers systemd, will only ever recycle the same arguments - i.e. that everything depends on it now, it's the future, etc (with an obvious chicken/egg dilemma) and that it boots faster and that managing unit files is 'better' than writing scripts, etc, etc, etc.

9/10 times precisely none of these people have turned out to be what could be regarded as sysadmins.

More than 9/10 times, they were just relying on systemd advocacy they had read elsewhere.

In the cases where they were sysadmins, actually managing production machines (usually RHEL), they had very compelling arguments as to why it worked well for them, even admitting it might not be the best, but all of those arguments could be applied to any other product, such as Windows Server or any of the various service supervision "tools" available for other UNIX likes OS for decades.

Originally Posted by fido_dogstoyevsky I should have remembered - my first year (university) physic textbook kept referring to vacuum tubes... (a mere five decades ago). Music very slightly distorted by tubes/valves has a nice warm sound missing in music similarly distorted by transistors. And other spelling differences. Edit: AND discuss Messrs Goldberg and Robinson.

True, about the music. Tube or "valve" amps are all the rage now for electric guitarists.

Hey, us 'Mercans are still trying to decipher the Canadians; but in my nearly 6 decades of life, a couple of words from 'Straya have gotten through, too! [Confession: Last week, I wouldn't have known what a "valve" is..]

BTW: LOVE your user name! (I wasn't in a creative mood when I made mine- and believe me, it has nothing to do with math- as I have my hands full just remembering that two plus two equals five!)

Originally Posted by cwizardone We were still using tubes in our jet aircraft back in the '60s into the '70s. By the mid/late '70s most were using transistors, but I remember a conversation with an electrical engineer, the gist of which was, while the Russians were (are?) still using tubes, their tube technology was far advanced over anything we ever did with tubes. True or not, I don't know.

I'll bet those F-35 Turkeys might actually work if they had tubes in 'em! If the Russians have balsa wood and rubber band planes, they're ahead of us now!

Hey, they made the first computers with tubes.... (Well, maybe beads- depending on what one's idea of a computer is.... Abacus repairman: "Here's your problem; a red one is out. I think I might have one on the camel")

Originally Posted by fido_dogstoyevsky A reason (though not the only one) the MiG-25 interceptor relied on valve technology for its radar.

In the event of a nuclear war, fighter planes and computers will not be worth anything except for scrap metal to make plowshares out of.

Originally Posted by sevendogsbsd Interestingly enough, lots of tube high end audio components on the market. Tubes are huge in audio, if you've got the $$.

They aren't better though. In fact, they have higher THD and worse signal to noise ratios, but audiophiles are used to how they sound/love the hipster cred. There are equally high-end solid state amplifiers that will absolutely destroy any tube amp ever built.

Guitar amps are a different story, because there tube distortion is the entire point.

Originally Posted by jsbjsb001 cynwulf just wants to bag systemd, and doesn't like the fact not everyone agrees with him...

He also doesn't know what he's talking about in regards to Windows 95 and autoexec.bat because he's saying you don't have to do things I have personally had to do to make DOS games function under 9x.

Originally Posted by Woolie Wool They aren't better though. In fact, they have higher THD and worse signal to noise ratios, but audiophiles are used to how they sound/love the hipster cred. There are equally high-end solid state amplifiers that will absolutely destroy any tube amp ever built.

Agree - I have heard a small tub amp and it sounded fine but I like my solid state amps: I have 2 Carver M 1.0T's (1 only in service until I can afford speakers that will handle them both) and I love them, even after 31 years, they still kick a$$.