Because Shiny Things Are Fun - The New New Windows v Linux Thread

Originally Posted by YesItsMe The GPL says Linus owns your OS.

I think you'll find the GPL license means that nobody and everybody owns the Linux kernel. (and any other GPL licensed software)

But... funny jlinkels mentions software licenses...

The French Gendarmerie Nationale has not only only switched to a far better system than Windoze, they've SAVED over 2 million dollars a year! Instead of handing it over to M$! Smart.

You can read about the switch here: http://www.zdnet.com/article/french-...-ubuntu-linux/
Happy reading!

Now let's talk about security...

I forgot I was still root the other day and tried running VLC from the command-line and it refused to run because I was root at the time. Had the same thing happen a while ago now with Kaffeine. Never seen any Windoze software do that.

BTW, I was using the $ sign to mock Window$, not necessarily having a dig about someone wanting to make a buck.

Childish? :shrugs:

Originally Posted by jamison20000e And that it is free

The GPL does not say anything about "no cost".

Originally Posted by jsbjsb001 I think you'll find the GPL license means that nobody and everybody owns the Linux kernel.

Basically, the "owner" of the Linux repository (~= Linus) owns all of the code you write to extend it for your needs. You don't.
The GPL is not free.

Originally Posted by jsbjsb001 BTW, I was using the $ sign to mock Window$ (...) Childish? :shrugs:

Ye$.

Originally Posted by YesItsMe ... Ye$.

:shrugs:

:$hrug$:

Some more M$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ fun!

https://www.recode.net/2017/7/17/159...oid-iphone-ios

Goodbye Windows Phone OS!

Oh, less successful products are usually discontinued after some time? You mean, like Ubuntu's "Cloud" thingy, Unity etc. as well as numerous other Lin$ux di$tribution$ by large companie$, like Corel Linux? You don't $ay.

Originally Posted by YesItsMe Oh, less successful products are usually discontinued after some time? You mean, like Ubuntu's "Cloud" thingy, Unity etc. as well as numerous other Lin$ux di$tribution$ by large companie$, like Corel Linux? You don't $ay.

What does M$'s own Azure cloud service run on? Well, I'm glad you ask... that would beee...

Linux!

ouch...

Most internet traffic (WhatsApp and Netflix) runs on FreeBSD. Guess why?

Because Lin$ux $uck$.

unsubscribing...

Originally Posted by YesItsMe Most internet traffic (WhatsApp and Netflix) runs on FreeBSD. Guess why? Because Lin$ux $uck$.

What's wrong with FreeBSD? It's still not Windoze.

I must read for you...

UNIX and Unix-like systems have somewhere around 60%/70% market share for that particular market.

Not Window$...

I don't have a Windows server, but no Linux server either. Nothing is wrong with BSD.

Originally Posted by jsbjsb001 The French Gendarmerie Nationale has not only only switched to a far better system than Windoze, they've SAVED over 2 million dollars a year! Instead of handing it over to M$! Smart.

I believe it is true. But it is also a huge step.

Since the past few months I am (unfortunately) pulled back in the technical details of Windows and licensed software. I had forgotten how bad it was. And it has become worse.

See, proprietary (and therefor mostly licenced) software has not only become unnecessary complex, but also totally opaque, non-documented, and hides as much of the internals and technical details as possible. So when you have a problem, you can Google for a solution, but usually it is in vain. So the only option you have is to call support. Which is often good, and they usually can solve the problem, but you did not understand how and why. And they don't tell you. Heck, the support agent often doesn't know himself, he is just following flowcharts drawn up for him by his development dept.

I read a statement in some forum a few weeks ago: "Linux is in fact easier than Windows. In Windows you have to jump through loops to find workarounds, which can be quite complicated. In Linux, you can simply understand what is going on, and take the appropriate action."

BUT the average Windows system administrator does not know this. Even if he knows it, he does not dare to understand it. Believe me, it becomes addicting very quickly to have a paid support telephone line at hand. Why try to find a workaround for hours if you can shift off the problem to company X support. Besides, you can tell your boss or customer that it is in the hands of support.

Except for RedHat, there is no Linux support you can call. That is fine, because you can find it yourself. Linux systems are an open book. And there is the community. (Which often comes with a lot of guesses, but few solutions. Look at this forum). Most important and valuable, eventually there are the developer forums of the product itself. Which usually do have a solution and often within 24 hours. I mean forums like Virtualmin, KDE, LibreOffice, Frontaccounting, Laravel or any Github project.

But try to convince a system administrator who is used to have the backup of a support department. He has to switch to open source and he is on his own. And is not used to the transparency of Linux and FOSS.

It is a huge step.

jlinkels

Originally Posted by YesItsMe ... said the Lin$ux user. I don't get that childish "M$" thingy. Yes, companies want to make money. Microsoft does. Apple does. Red Hat does. Canonical does. There is no reason for such a low level. Behavior like this is the reason why nobody except the Lin$ux "community" takes the Lin$ux community seriously.

The difference is that M$ is shorthand for "That criminal organisation which deliberately pent money trying to destroy Linux and many other technologies.". If you know anything about Microsoft you know that it isn't just "a company" -- it's a company which has broken the law and spent a lot of money stifling innovation and generally setting the progress of computing back.
There's nothing wrong with misspelling or otherwise mangling the name of an organisation one has absolutely no respect for whatsoever. It has a history going back to at least the second world war and likely earlier. People who don't understand that ought to educate themselves or they won't be taken seriously anywhere.

Originally Posted by 273 The difference is that M$ is shorthand for "That criminal organisation (blah blah)".

A company that violated the law in the past is still not the Mafia, dude. Also, you can't say that Satya Nadella is even remotely as hostile as his predecessor was.

Originally Posted by 273 the name of an organisation one has absolutely no respect for whatsoever.

So, back to ¢anoni¢al and R€d Hat...

Originally Posted by 273 It has a history going back to at least the second world war and likely earlier.

None of the Microsoftees were even born back then.

Originally Posted by YesItsMe A company that violated the law in the past is still not the Mafia, dude. Also, you can't say that Satya Nadella is even remotely as hostile as his predecessor was. So, back to ¢anoni¢al and R€d Hat... None of the Microsoftees were even born back then.

They may not be the Mafia but they've still, until very recently, used illegal business practices and threatened people who want to develop and use Linux. They may not be as bad now but that's no reason to have any respect for them whatsoever.
You're free to spell Canonical and red Hat like that if you wish -- if you wish to disrespect a company I certainly won't have a problem with that but, personally, I have no specific reason to disrespect them.

As to when the M$ employees were born Iwasn't referring to the disrespect of M$ going back that far but the practice of disrespecting people and organisations by misspelling or pronouncing their names. If you've ever seen heard anyone refer to the Nazis* you've seen it done -- did you complain then that those people wonldn't be taken seriously?

*I deliberately did not spell this out originally as I am not comparing any organisation to the Nazis.